By Amy Joles
(Contact / Staff Bio)
June 29, 2009 - 05:14 p.m. EST
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Cory Fritz, 26, of Sebewaing, appeared in Tuscola County District Court Monday afternoon with his attorney Kevin Rieman to face allegations that he had sex with a 14-year-old back in 2005-2006.
CARO — Nobody is arguing the fact that Cory Fritz got a 14-year-old girl pregnant three years ago.
But what happened to the baby remains a mystery.
During a prepreliminary exam in Tuscola County District Court on Monday (today), Tuscola County Prosecutor Mark Reene said that Fritz, now 26, stated that he was “present during the birth of a baby and goes on to describe what happened at that time.”
Fritz’s attorney, Kevin Rieman, called those allegations “preposterous,” and “flatly untrue.”
“He was called to (the victim’s) home and shown what he believed to be a baby and he called 9-1-1,” said Rieman, adding that it was likely the after-birth that Fritz had witnessed. “(The victim) wanted to get rid of it and Cory got out of there.”
Two written statements, one from Fritz and one from another witness, were admitted into evidence at the prepreliminary exam.
Fritz, a former varsity softball coach at Owendale-Gagetown High School, faces 20 counts of third degree criminal sexual conduct. The victim was a sophomore at Owen-Gage during the 2005-2006 school year when the sexual relationship allegedly took place.
According to Fritz’s own statement, he had sexual intercourse with the teen at least five times when he was 22 years old.
“Of course we have information from the victim that it is in excess of that,” said Reene to the courtroom.
The witness statement that was admitted into evidence, stated that Fritz had divulged the sexual relationship that he had with the 14-year-old girl and that he had gotten her pregnant.
“He describes how the baby was ‘taken care of’ and buried in a local wooded area,” said Reene, reading from the witness statement.
Reene also told the courtroom that the witness stated that Fritz had told him that he needed to locate the remains and dispose of them.
In that same statement, “there was also input from (Fritz’s) mother in what needed to be done with the remains,” said Reene.
Earlier during the prepreliminary exam, Fritz’s mother, Valerie, testified that she had not spoken to her son about the case or any infant remains. Although she had driven him to his lawyer’s office on the evening before his arrest, she stated that she was not sure of the reason for the consultation.
“I didn’t want to know anything,” she said from the witness stand. “He told me that he was in some trouble from something that he did years ago and he wanted to talk to a lawyer.”
On the stand, Valerie Fritz said that her son accompanied her to her cancer treatments, worked full-time and contributed to their household financially.
Reene acknowledged Fritz’s two prior impaired driving violations and said that Fritz had admitted to stealing money from relatives to assist in paying for an abortion for the teen victim. “He was contemplating taking her out of state,” he added.
Rieman said that Fritz realizes the seriousness of the charges and, “he is willing to fight.”
He also argued that Fritz’s bond was too high and not reasonable. He asked that a personal recognizance bond be set, which would allow Fritz to get out of jail without paying bond if he agreed to appear at all court dates and abide by specific guidelines.
“He is not entitled to a personal recognizance bond,” said Kim D. Glaspie, District Court Judge. “Representations about this fetus or child and the disappearance and/or burial is a factor and I think the court should consider that.”
Glaspie did lower the bond to $50,000, or 10 percent cash/surety. Magistrate Steven Sattler had previously set the bond at $100,000 when Fritz was arraigned last Wednesday.
Fritz remains lodged at the Tuscola County Jail and now faces a preliminary exam in District Court on July 6 at 1:30 p.m.
Amy Joles is the editor of the Tuscola County Advertiser. She can be reached at joles@tcadvertiser.com.
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June 29, 2009
5:49 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I just don't understand why they haven't charged the "victim" with anything. Obviously they figured out there was a baby that SHE gave birth to, not Cory. Shouldn't she be the one getting in trouble?
June 29, 2009
6:27 p.m.Report inappropriate content
She was 14 and if her mother and cory where there that is 2 adults that should be charged, not the child. Why are people so eager to charge a girl who was 14/15 at the time. This was probably her first and only boyfriend. If the mother was there she needs to be held accountable. Also if Cory dialed 911 there should be records and an ambulance should have been sent. Did this take place??
June 29, 2009
6:48 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Whether she was 14 or 15, it doesn't matter. There are plenty of girls who have children at that age and known the difference between right or wrong. Yes, I agree her mother should be held accountable but so should she. She had a voice and could have easily spoken up.
June 29, 2009
6:49 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Does it REALLY matter the age of the "victim"? She was able to have a boyfriend, get pregnant, give birth, and dispose of or let it be disposed of. She should be old enough to stand up for her actions. Anyone who had knowledge of this childs birth and swept it under the carpet should be held accountable. It sickens me how there are people defending this action.
June 29, 2009
7:23 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Really??? Really???
So we should just give a pass to any 14/15 year old who decides to "get rid of" their baby. I would have to disagree...and I can only imagine that the victim and her mother are getting a deal when it comes to testifying against Cory. All parties involved with the baby dissappearing should be held accountable.
The "victim" isn't suffering - they seem to be having parties just like usual with beer cans littering the lawn and all. Please keep in mind that the victim is still too young to legally drink - you'd think her mother would have learned something by now.
June 29, 2009
9:32 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I think we should all stop, give it a rest! If you must discuss this story talk to your friends and family about your opinions...stop posting it, its hurtful! What if this was your family???
thumbres, i was just wondering what your would like the "victim" to be doing right now, do you have any suggestions for how she should react to this situatuion (even though you have no clue what actaully happened), have you been through this before?...im guessing you know exactly how she should have handled things and what her mother should have done...your family must be perfect, i would love to meet them! to bad you cant even put your real name on here! please focus the negative energy you are focusing on the "victim" and her family and put it to some good use, try volunteering, its good for the soul and after all of the judgment you are passing you are gonna need some sort of way to redeem your all holy self!
June 29, 2009
9:51 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Kristina, no none of us know what it's like to be in the "victims" shoes, but that's because none of us kill babies! I'm sure a lot of us know what it's like to have babies though, and to know what kind of monster it would take to kill them and then dump them in a field. People are going to talk, this is morbid. Get over it. Go on and party with Ms. Murderer and her sister, and there dear old mommy. People know more than what you think they do! So shut up. No one even likes you.
June 29, 2009
9:56 p.m.Report inappropriate content
kristina - i realize that you and the victim are good friends. but if they didnt want people to probe into their lives and make comments and assumptions, they never should have put themselves into this position in the first place.. especially in the rinky dink community we live in. of course everyone is going to pass judgement and have something to say about it. its our right and freedom of speech. i give you kudos for trying to stop the opinions from flowing but in all reality thats just not going to happen.
June 30, 2009
12:03 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Kristina,
No - I and my family are far from perfect but I would think that right now the "victim" and her family would be at the very least practicing discretion. I don't think underage drinking and partying is really the way to go while all of this is going on.
People are observing what goes on and find it very inappropriate in the circumstances and quite honestly all it does is re-enforce peoples opinions that there is a severe lack of parenting going on in that household.
June 30, 2009
12:21 a.m.Report inappropriate content
kristina-so tell me are you one of those women who wear those black-n-white outfits oh yes a nun I dont think so you make yourself sound like you have never given an opinion or gossiped before. I am a grown adult here and and not proud but I even have done this. Ever hear the comment you play with fire you get burnt? well in this case i would say all involed got burnt? I do know both familes and here and my heart goes out to all esp. the girl at the time but she is an adult now and should face up the things. I do believe there have been some pretty harsh things said here, but when the media and law get involed people talk thats life. by the sounds of your comments you are her friend and that is great you standing up for her that is what freinds do for friends but come on what is going on here is very very wrong and we wouldnt all be here posting if this would of been stopped from the beginning. My prayers are with all involed. but i really do believe that justice needs to be done with all the crimes commited. someone has to speak out and be the voice for this baby. and he C.F. should never never be allowed around any females or should i say little girls under the age of 18. Do keep in mind I know both familes and am not taking sides for anyone oh yes maybe the side of this little one that is WHERE! My prayers go to all.
June 30, 2009
7:45 a.m.Report inappropriate content
when i said i even have done this i meant gossip or talked about someone.
June 30, 2009
7:46 a.m.Report inappropriate content
I would like to say that my heart goes out to the families of Cory, and to the victoms father and sister. They must be going through so much right now and I could not imagine going through this. But....the victom, her mother and Cory all need to be punished for what they have done. I have to agree with the previous posts, now is not the time to be partying and having a good time, how can any of them party knowing that they killed a human being? And I have a question for all of "her" friends that are posting here, why didn't she just have the baby and give it up for adoption? Why did she/they have to kill it? That is just wrong and they all should be in prison for a long time for what they did to that innocent baby.
June 30, 2009
9:38 a.m.Report inappropriate content
og32...we are pretty sure we know who you are, and you dont even know me so im not sure why you are saying what your saying to me, or why you think you should fight with me? I like how you were all nice on my other post and now all of a sudden you think the victim is a baby killer? wow, impressive observation! I agree that the family should use some discretion but are the ones around them also supposed to stop living their lives...it has affected them greatly and they are dealing with it the best way they know how to! I also understand that there was an infant involve but before you point fingers wouldnt you like to know the victims side of the story, i realize that it has not been given yet but once it is i have a feeling you are all going to really regret your words...and for those of you that say you know the family, if you knew the family or the victim for that matter you would know that they would not harm anything!
I am not asking to fight i just wish people would stop with the mean comments about the families, no one knows the facts and they will come in time, and in the end the one at fault will pay for what has happened! and og32 i know you have probably been gossiped about before and it doesnt feel to good does it, maybe you should think about that before you go calling people baby killers...Also do you think anyone asked for this to be public or for this to even happen! if it was at all their choice it would have been kept private but its not! i wish you all just had the common sense to see that you are hurting people and you should stop posting it on here...have your words elsewhere!!
Oh and as far as my saint hood goes...im not saying i have never gossiped or had my opinions about something or someone, but i never posted them for the world to see, and if i would have it would have been something i would say right to their face, not anonymous!!
June 30, 2009
10:36 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Wow you are all bad as*es
June 30, 2009
10:49 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Maybe my words were harsh, but I'm just disgusted by this whole thing. I really doubt you know who I am. I just moved to the area 4 years ago and transferred my son into Owen-Gage schools. He graduated with the "victim." I guess I don't know her personally, but I just know what I've seen and heard and he's told me things about you and partying over at the house. People in this community know more about this then what people think that they do. It's going to get around no matter what. I've learned thats what a small town is.
June 30, 2009
11:12 a.m.Report inappropriate content
kirstina_zuzga What in the hell are you talking about!"know the victims side of the story" "kept private" I'm sorry that you feel that anything will change when the story comes out!!But in the state of Michigan ( and else where)sex with an under age person is a CRIME. as for the family keeping it private that's fine, some family matters should be private BUT I remind you that dissposal of human remains other than by a funeral home IS ILEAGEL not only inmoral. I don't care even if she gave birth to a still born, my opion is not going to change it is still a crime! and if you are a good friend and knew anything about the birth and the dissposal then you are an "Accessroy after the fact" and dear that too is punishable by law! As you see I didn't call her a baby killer that is a little harsh but if it comes out if the baby was alive and she did dispose of it ,Yes that I guess that is what she will be called. You know I feel sorry for all involved, I know both parties as well as the both families and I know this is killing them. No matter if they wanted to keep it private and not soil her reputation then, but what about her rep NOW. I would have been more compationate then to know she gave the baby up or to give birth to a still born and had the child laid to rest the "PROPER" way I would have more respect. No matter how deep you bury a secert it still will come back to bite you!!!!! I pray for the Families and the community as to heal and move on. Sue
June 30, 2009
11:17 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, there is a dead child here, or somewhere. What should the "Victim" be doing, I would say sitting in the ground somewhere. It is obvious by how many times sex had occurred that it was consenual, sick yes, but consenual. The only "Victim" here is a dead baby. Get over the publicity factor in this whole thing, too late for that. If the young woman wants to do something, if she feels at all remorseful, then that baby should be found.
June 30, 2009
11:40 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Kristina-
I am not going to knock how you feel about people posting hurtful things on this blog, but please consider this.
1. There are 2.6 MILLION MARRIED couples in the United States alone that are trying to have a child and can not. I am sure one of those couples would have LOVED this child.
2. The "victim" definitely gave birth to a baby, whether she is trying to say it was stillborn or not.
3. If the baby was born alive, and something was wrong, why did she or Cory, or WHOEVER else was there NOT call for help?
4. If it was born fine and she did not want it, then why not give it up for adoption?
5. If the baby was stillborn, why would she not tell Cory to leave and call an ambulance. She has absolutely NO LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY to provide paternity information about the father to ANYONE. So saying she was trying to protect Cory is a lie.
Regardless of which of these circumstances took place, the Victim, Cory and potentially the baby's grandmothers (according to witness statements), should be held liable for their actions, or lack there of. It is hard to feel sorry for someone who either directly through their own actions, or indirectly through their lack of actions, in someway contributed to the death or covering up of the death (if it was stillborn) of their own child. She knew she gave birth, regardless of what happened afterward, she knew she gave birth and therefore should have called the authorities when her baby was gone, but she chose not to, and so did Cory, and WHOEVER else was there. That is why so many people are expressing their anger and outrage. That baby deserved better and if she is guilty through her own direct actions or through her complacency with someone elses actions, she is still guilty.
June 30, 2009
12:20 p.m.Report inappropriate content
All I wanted to do was get the mean comments to stop, just stop directing your comments at people, and you can still have your opinions, just stop being so hurtful!
Reading the updated story I can see why everyone would be so mad at the "victim" but I just feel like there is more to the story than what HE and his attorney are trying to get everyone to believe! And until the whole story is given, I just think it is unfair to be hurting these families like this! I feel that because we are all so ignorant to what actually happened it is not fair to pass judgment!
In some of your defenses I understand you are just going by what you read and for that I cannot be mad, but please just consider their feelings in all this!!!!
June 30, 2009
1:07 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I didn't want to get involved with any of this but it makes me sick to read all of these comments. I completley agree with Kristina. Her and I both know the "victim" and her family very well, and know how bad that this is hurting them. A lot of people have asked me how I can still support them after all that has happened, and my response is that I will continue to be their friend until someone can prove to me that they did something wrong, and no one has yet! I consider this girl one of my very best friends, I know the pain she has gone threw in her life and she does NOT deserve any of this. I know that is has been proven there was a baby involved and everyone thinks she is a monster, but I can't see this girl doing something so horrible and until it's proven to me that she actually killed a baby, I will NOT believe it for one second. The people posting on here about her obviously do not know her at all because if you did you would know she is the sweetest girl you could ever meet. All we know is what Cory is saying, and who knows if what he says is true. I'm not going to judge him either though, all I'm saying is he could be lying. All I ask is that you don't judge the "victim" until you hear her side of the story, because it may not be what it seems to be. I don't know her story myself, so I can't pass judegement and neither can any of you. And don't yell at Kristina for trying to get the hurtful comments to stop. She's doing what's right. Like she said, 'just consider their feelings.' And wait until you hear the whole story before judging anyone.
June 30, 2009
2:02 p.m.Report inappropriate content
This is to Heather... Im with ya on the not wanting to post, but I cant resist anymore. Like everyone on here, I also know the "victims" (and i use that word VERY lightly!) family extremely well. And for you to make it sound like she has had a tough life is, well is just BS. Those kids have had a very blessed life growing up and still today. They have never had to want or need ANYTHING! Their parent and grandparents spoiled them absolutely rotten!! Blessed and fortunate, yes. Hard, no. They are lucky to have the people in their life to do that as we all know, it is rare in the area.
Now, how can anyone keep calling her a victim? Multiple and consensual does not really qualify as victim. Stupid? You betcha!!
The baby... Well, like I said, I know them. I just hope the lawyers, police, CF's written statement, the "witness'" statement are all wrong. Its highly unlikely they are ALL wrong. Too many people are saying the SAME THING. She had lots of options as CHOOSE to not use one of them. Stupid. There are no secrets in the Thumb and karma is a true bi*ch!!
Now the tricklr down effect of this is gonna be amazing!! Where are all the school officials going to fall in line? If they knew about it and didnt report it...busted. And notice how I said "officials". Not teachers. (although i would suspect atleast one knew) Think about that. What prominent school official absolutely HAD to know? You will figure it out if you follow the family tree....
June 30, 2009
2:14 p.m.Report inappropriate content
i have a hard time reading any comments that sticks up for anyone on here. as far as i am concerned there was a baby and no one thought about not hurting the baby. in my opinion, i hope that the family members are reading this and they are hurt. when i seen my babies born it was the best day of my life and i can not imagine doing anything to hurt them. because of the actions of these people a life was taken away and i dont really care if their feelings are hurt. i get sick to my stomach whenever i think about this story and the actions of these people. what about the baby? what about it's feelings?
June 30, 2009
2:18 p.m.Report inappropriate content
so why is cory the only person at fault here?? why is the supposed victim not getting into any trouble?? i think that mr. reene himself, and most of tuscola county authorities, should be ashamed of themselves and the way they treat people. there are still no remains of this baby, and yet we like to spread all over that cory killed this baby, and that he needs to be punished. when there is proof of a baby, and proof that he killed it, then deal with it. isnt it supposed to be innocent until proven guilty??? understandable the 20 counts should be taken care of, that is inevitable. and what about this "victim's" mother?? allowing a 14 year old to have sex with a 22 year old?? is she dillusional?? this isnt the first time something like this has happened around here, and we only seem to attack one person. the "victim", her mother, and cory need to all be punished in some way. i just cant get over all the plain stupidity throughout this whole thing. everyone needs to look at the bigger picture here...yes cory shouldnt have slept with a 14 year old, but why is the 14 year old not getting into any trouble for being an accomplice to this supposed death, and the mother of the 14 year old for just plain being stupid for letting her 14 year old sleeping with cory.
June 30, 2009
2:24 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Kristina and Heather, let me ask you this, you are so concerned about "her" feelings, I refuse to call her a victom so I will refer to "her", where were you two and all of your "feelings" when they dug a hole in the dirt and buried the baby, dead or alive, whichever. She may be a nice person and a sweetheart as you say, but a nice person does not dig a hole in a field and put their baby in it, or allow it to be done whichever the case. I am sorry that these comments may hurt their feelings, I take that back, no I'm not. What they did was sick and wrong and they should d#*n well be punished!!!!! Do you understand that we are talking about a human life? Wouldn't it just suck if your mother decided she didn't want you when you were born so she put you in a field???? Or if you were a still born,either way wouldn't be great to join the heavens above and know that your mother put you in the ground and continued to party? Think of that poor baby, who cares about "her" feelings!!!!
June 30, 2009
2:54 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Nunya, I had no idea you knew exactly what happened, jeez maybe they should be prosecuting you for being an "accessory" to a murder...you seem, to know the whole story!
I'm not asking who is right or wrong, all I was simply saying is consider the families...I get it there is a baby involved and regardless to how it happened it is wrong and immoral, but truth is there was no baby found, nor do we have a legitimate story leading to its disposal! I just think we should have all the facts before we start calling people names, and tearing them apart on a BLOG!!!
Im sticking up for neither side...each family is being affected by the terrible things you people are posting on here...it just sucks that we really have nothing better to then to contribute to their hurt! why cant anyone see that!
June 30, 2009
3:14 p.m.Report inappropriate content
If they didn't want people to have harsh things to say about them, they should never of let this happen. It's just going to keep getting worse. Channel 12, channel 5, channel 25.. EVERYONE, not just people on here are going to have bad things to say about this. It wouldn't surprise me if this story made it to CNN.
Why do they need to come read what people are saying? We come on here to read the news and voice our opinion. Obviously they don't need to read this because they already know the story.
June 30, 2009
3:31 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Kristina - I didn't call anybody names, I am simply stating the facts that have been on the news. And I didn't know anything about this until it came out, then one of "her" friends came to me. If they didn't want this bad publicity and people talking about them then they should have done the right thing years ago, instead of treating a baby like a crop and planting it. I don't give a d*^n what "her" and her mother think of what I am saying, they were in the wrong and they know it. Fess up and take the punishment like the women you were when you gave birth! That's all I am saying....why give them sympathy? I don't think so!!!!! And as far as not finding the baby yet....the truth will come out about that as well. I am on the side of the baby, so as far as hurting the family by saying these things....sign me up!!!!! They knew when they did it (whatever they did) that it was wrong, how can you sit there and defend that? They all need to be punished for what they did to that baby and that is all there is to it in my eyes.
June 30, 2009
4:07 p.m.Report inappropriate content
YOU DONT KNOW IF, OR WHAT, OR HOW, OR WHEN, THEY DID, OR DID NOT, DO SOMETHING...THAT IS MY POINT! That was all I have been trying to say, I understand you are going from what is in the news, but notice there has been nothing released from the "victim"! So until her story is disclosed I think that everything that is being said is ignorant. You say not to read this blog, but tell me that when you stop, its like a disease, of course its going to get read by both families...you would do the same if it were you, you want to know what people are thinking, and we all just hope people have the decency to be considerate...but that in today's world is nearly impossible, I've said my peace and I'm hoping to not have to again defend myself for asking people to show a little compassion when dealing with something that is affecting peoples lives so greatly!
June 30, 2009
4:15 p.m.Report inappropriate content
You are right, I am going by the news, and "her" friend...leave them alone you ask....NO! I will not, Cory admitted to their being a baby...where is it? You show me that baby alive and well and I will stop posting my opinion, until then I will continue. If you don't like it stop reading it. If they find that baby alive and well, I will personally call the family and apologize, is that going to happen, nope, why because they put her/him in the dirt!! Tell me how that is right....and you defending them is just as sick and twisted as them doing it!
June 30, 2009
4:31 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Kristina - you need to stop while you are ahead. You are making yourself look foolish now and really aren't making any sense. These families have asked for this in one way or another. It's sad but true. If you weren't friends with her would you really be on here telling people to keep their opinions to themselves? I highly doubt it. You'd have opinions that you'd want to voice just like the rest of us. Personally, I think it would be great if you would just leave so that I could hear what other people are thinking about this horrible situation instead of you telling people to be considerate to the families feelings. Obviously your requests are being ignored.
June 30, 2009
4:43 p.m.Report inappropriate content
nunya....hoooorrrayyy for you!! Compassion? Seriously? They are hurting right now? Seriously? This is a difficult time for them? Seriously? WTF??? Why would this be a difficult time for them? Because they couldnt keep a secret? So one would have to guess that if the "secret" would have been kept...life would have remained beautiful. Nice... Couple things to think about...The Tribune called the Gagetown cop and asked what was up with the crime lab being in town. He said a body WAS found...Do you think the names of the mother and "her" have not come out because THEY are the other witness and trying to save their own a*@ during this troubling, tragic (more like inconvenient) time for them....(sob)jk
June 30, 2009
4:48 p.m.Report inappropriate content
olddawg - VERY GOOD POINT!!!
June 30, 2009
4:53 p.m.Report inappropriate content
after reading that story, it just makes me sick to my stomach. just thinking about a baby being burried makes me really sick and disgusted. Shame on them, Shame on their Families, Shame on whoever is involved in this!!! And Kristina--- you make me sick too for trying to defend anyone in this, or trying to be sincere. i hope they all go to prison, from their mothers to their fathers, and themselves.... people like this dont deserve to live in our society, they deserve to be locked up in prison.
June 30, 2009
5:02 p.m.Report inappropriate content
wow this is really getting out of hand here. We all have the right to our opinions, and yes some of those do hurt others but that is what happens when things like this happen in life. MY only question is why isnt she coming out with a statement to stop all this, Im on the outside looking in and can see all points of everything going on here and it sickens me to think this may be true and sickens me if it isnt because of what it will do to her even if it isnt true, but if it is she and all deserve what ever happens to them. Kristina just be a friend for her and quit telling everyone to stop because the more you keep saying this the more they are going to talk. Im not here to judge but if this does come true i hope you look at your friend in a different way, because sometimes people arent really who we think they are no matter how well we know them, look at CF i thought he was a smarter person back then but i was wrong about him never though i would see the day he slept with a 14 year old but he did. Ever since then I couldnt stand to look at him.
June 30, 2009
5:20 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I, too, have heard many, many times that a body (or bones) HAS been found. But you never know what to believe.
June 30, 2009
6:01 p.m.Report inappropriate content
It is BS that the "victim" isn't in the paper or on the news. I wonder if anyone else gets arrested on heresay???? Isn't she gulity or does she not remember having a baby??????
June 30, 2009
7:14 p.m.Report inappropriate content
At no point do I think that having "relations" with a 14 year old, when you're 22 is ok, but when is it ok if the parents know about it? Where are the parenting skills there???? If that had been my daughter, and I'm glad it's not, she would've been grounded to her house for the rest of her life! It really is too bad that such young girls want to grow up so fast. And as for Corey's parents, he is an adult....accountable for HIS OWN ACTIONS!!! It is very sad that a child is gone. I look at my baby girl and think "how could someone do this to such a miracle!?" Well, only time will tell and the truth WILL COME OUT!! And I hope when it does EVERYONE is punished for their wrong doing. Victim or not...SHE knows the difference between RIGHT and WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 30, 2009
7:14 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Maybe it's select memory affliction. Seems to me that too many people knew about the relationship and never said a word. So called friends, which have posted here, could have stopped this long ago. This woman's mother, who also knew and probably has privledged information about the pregnancy, and what happened after. I couldn't give too sh!ts for their feelings.. are you serious? Feelings?? Where were all these warm gushy feelings when they were throwing dirt on a dead child? I guess they get a pass on that if you partied with them or called them your friends. Sick
June 30, 2009
9:20 p.m.Report inappropriate content
When a coach, teacher, clergy-person, boss, or anyone else in a "power position" sexually abuses a young person, the young person is always, always the victim and can be manipulated by the abuser into doing just about anything. In fact, the power of the abuser is amazingly incredible! No one, therefore, should be blaming the 14 year old girl for anything. The guy had all the power. The best thing for everyone in the area to do is pray for those involved, support those who are investigating the crime, and to wait and see what the investigation turns up. Also, we should all learn about the power of sex abusers and the control they are able to assert, not just on their victims, but on others, as well! This should be a lesson for all of us! It is the abuser who must answer for his crimes. It is for the rest of us to help pick up the pieces and go on trying to live decent lives.
June 30, 2009
9:33 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy - it's past the part of just "sexual abuse". It is now about a human life. Yes, he may of had power over the victim but I'm sure he didn't have power over the others who knew she was pregnant. I still have a hard time believing anyone could force someone to do something horrible to their own child being a mother myself. Therefore I believe that it was an amicable decision on both parts of what should be done with the baby. So yes, the victim should also be blamed not just Cory.
June 30, 2009
10:16 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Dont use the "victim" word so loosely there Fuzz. Its been made very clear on here that it was completely consensual. And often the way it sounds. And good ole Mom was all for it! What a good friend (shoulda have tried being a mom maybe?!?) The only one entitled to the word victim is the baby. The girl involved was just being cool cuz she was doin an older guy! And NO MATTER WHAT, she IS to blame for a missing baby! If he just took it against her will, then she is to blame for not doing anything 10 seconds after he left. She has alot to be blamed for. This started as a CSC case. Not abuse. Not rape. Just a girl being cool and a guy who obviously didnt have much luck with the ladies!
June 30, 2009
10:18 p.m.Report inappropriate content
The two things that I am getting from these many posts are that there are many sick and illiterate people in the Gagetown area.
June 30, 2009
10:20 p.m.Report inappropriate content
olddawg-I am not sure why you are bringing any "school officials" into anything at this time. Clearly both individuals have lied throughout the whole situation. Therefore, I do not think you should be throwing stones at who was responsible for knowledge of ANYTHING considering cory and the girl LIED FROM START TO FINISH OF THIS!! You don't know who knew what was going on and I can guarantee you that no one would support the actions of what was happening if they knew! I guess what I'm saying is shut your mouth about it! That would be like saying you knew when you had no clue and no one has done that so have the courtesy to not do it to others even though that seems hard for you!
June 30, 2009
10:49 p.m.Report inappropriate content
You people.. make me sick. You claim to know the "victim" but you don't, none of you do, or you wouldn't be hurting in this way. Kristina doesn't need to leave, she isn't looking foolish, ALL OF YOU ARE! You don't know what happened! None of you do! Are you people God? Do you all know everything? If you do I think you should all be talking to the police becuase you obviously know everything that happened! Yes, we hear there is a baby, but has one been found? No. And until there is, all it is, is talk. Nothing but talk. You say that "Well the news said this..." Well the news can say whatever the heck they want to get you to tune into their story or buy their paper.. and it's working, isn't it? I think Kristina and I can both say that if we wern't such good friends with the "Victim" and her family, we would still feel this way. All we know is what Cory says, and I'm not saying he's bad person, but sometimes people lie. Until you know, FOR A FACT, or atlest here the "victims" side of the story, you shouldn't really say anything at all.
And to bring her mother into this and say well, "I woulda done it differently." Well maybe you woulda, and good for you, but I know that I've lied to my mom before and seen people she didn't want me to see. It woulda happened whether the mother woulda stepped in or not. You're all just trying to blame someone, and that's really quite stupid.
And for whoever said that the school officials weren't in the wrong, are full of crap. I'm sure we all know who I am on here and what happened to me and how the school handled it. Owen-Gage school's should not even be open right now! It is a terrible corrupt place. The "leader" there has more crimes against him then probably any of the people writing on here combined. But that's a whole nother story. A lot of gossip gets spread in this small town, and that's all it is gossip. But we're all so shallow we believe it and pass it on, like it's fact.. well that needs to stop!!
It makes me so sick to see the hurt in this families eyes, and I know Cory's family is going threw the exact same thing. All we ask is to wait until the facts come out, because they will come out. And then whoever needs to be punished, will be. None of you are God, none of you can judge either one of these people or their families!!
And I know that I will come under fire for everything that I say here, and I'm ok with that. I've been talked about before, this is nothing new for me. I know that I'm doing whats right, and maybe all of you should think about it too. This family has been there for me threw everything, and I will not turn my back on them now, and if you were any friends to her, you shouldn't either.
June 30, 2009
11:11 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Let me restate that.... no responsible, admirable, intelligent, and respectable person with any sense of morals would go without reporting this information and support cory and the girls actions if they were aware of it!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you should not blame anyone except for the people responsible for this when no one would dare do something so disgusting!!!!!!!
June 30, 2009
11:19 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I'm not saying that the leader isn't corrupt.....I agree Heather. What I am saying is that not all people that are employed by the school district are as dispicable as he!!! There are a couple truely good people that work at the school that are just among some others that lack any good characteristics!!!!!!!
June 30, 2009
11:37 p.m.Report inappropriate content
do_unto_others- Sounds like I struck a nerve. You seem awfully sure of youself and I really hope you are right. But in your strong defense of the school, I would have to say you know exactly what Iam talking about. Iam way above your little war of words, but if you feel so inclined, please, shut up! Seriously???
July 1, 2009
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Ok, I understand that you are friends with her and want to defend her, but it's time to look at the big picture...Cory has admitted there was a baby and my concern is what happened to that baby? I don't care about who knew what...Cory was wrong in sleeping with her, her mother was wrong for allowing it (and we all know she knew about it) and she was wrong for whatever part she played in "getting rid of it." I would defend my friend also, to a point, but when that point became an illegal action that's when my defense would stop. The school officials may have done things wrong, I don't know that whole story, but if they would have said something, Cory would have been in jail then instead of now. You girls that are defending Cory, "her" and her mother, are obviously too young to understand what it is like to want to have a child, but not be able to, and then we read this and they just "got rid of the baby".....seriously, I hope they all rott in prison!
July 1, 2009
9:05 a.m.Report inappropriate content
So we all know that there was something that had been found but know one is speaking besides cory,he admitted himself that there was a baby so why are they taking so long to find this innocent child,and as far as the mother goes if she haD THIS CHILD AND HIDE THE CHILD BECASE IT WAS STILL-BORN THEN SHE SHOULD ALSO TURN HERSELF IN..I know she was probably scared if this was a still born birth and she didn't now what to do but call cory and tell him so that is where he claim's he so afterbirth and he claimed he called 9-1-1 but turn's out he never did and helped with hiding the baby somewhere and he know's where it is at but he is not telling anyone...
July 1, 2009
9:13 a.m.Report inappropriate content
In a situation where where a mother allows her 14 yr old daughter to date a 22 yr old, it should be considered statutory rape. Which is consensual relations. Of course a 14 yr old isn't mature enough to make that decision, but if she is allowed to do so and the 22 yr old isn't chased away by a shotgun...it leaves the impression that it is ok. Many 22 yr old males, especially one still living at home, aren't mature themselves. Of course, I will get backlash from my opinion, but I do not consider this child sexual abuse. I can relate to another situation I know of, where a mother allowed her daughter (who just turned 14) to date (and knowingly have sex with) a 19 yr old. Closer in age than what this story is about, but still under law, illegal. I do not understand the mindset of a mother than can condone this, but I witnessed it. The man-boy-teen was told by many how wrong this was, but his reply was, "her mother doesn't care, she loves me". In regards to this story, I deeply question why this is coming out now??? As for the baby, I hope it is a situation where it was stillborn and no harm came to a "live" baby. From the story above, it sounds like Corey Fritz does not even know what he saw and called 911. If this is true, there will be documentation to back that up. I can only say at this point, if a mother condones her 14 yr old to date a 22 yr old and these events took place, she should be sitting in jail as well.
July 1, 2009
9:20 a.m.Report inappropriate content
olddawg-
I am pretty sure everyone can follow the family tree on Cory's side..as if it would not have been obvious. However, I can't help but think you are talking about the victims family tree (which apparently I know little about) because everyone knows that Cory robbed that family member several times, and after being caught they have not spoke to eachother (besides a hi and bye) for years. If you did not know this, you may want to ask (which I at least had the brass to do)before you start pointing fingers.
do_unto_others-
I am glad to see you cleared up your point because lets be honest, about 75% of that school is corrupt.
Heather-
As I stated before, there are 2.6 MILLION MARRIED couples that would have loved to raise this child (which there obviously was a child both parties admitted it)because they can't have one of their own. You talk about hurt, imagine how they would feel if they hear about this. Also, the news can't report whatever they want, in America we have these things called lawsuits (slander, libel, etc) which prevent that from happening. It would not be profitable for a company to pay families for lying about them just to try and sell stories (that would be The National Inquirer). Retractions would have to be given which would eat up airtime and cost even more money. If the baby was stillborn, why not call an ambulance? They did nothing wrong until they killed or failed to call authorities (if stillborn), and would not be under such scrutiny otherwise. They deserve to hurt. I hurt just thinking about it. Heather you handled your ordeal wonderfully and I respect you for that. They chose not to, and at some point you will have to let go of everything that was great about these two because in the end what they did was wrong.
July 1, 2009
10:24 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Wow. there sure is a lot of people that must know a lot of what happened.... All I know is that is know Cory, and I feel that he better get what he has coming to him.... He should have known better. I will always be a friend to him, I just hope he feel's bad for what has happened. I also feel that if there was any kind of coverup by other people, they need to be held accountable as well.
July 1, 2009
11:13 a.m.Report inappropriate content
If you give birth to a child, whether still born or alive you are still responsible for that child. It doesn't matter how old the "Mother" was at the time she knows in her heart that she is responsible for that child. It breaks my heart to think about that baby, did no one love this innocent being? Here is another pointer. When you have sex there is always a chance of creating a baby. If you are not capable of taking care of a baby then keep your pants zipped!! By what is being reported in the news it was obviously consensual, that doesn't make it right on the part of the coach/adult, but if you didn't want to have sexual relations you should have reported him to the proper authorities. And if you got pregnant then you really should have sought out help. There are agencies that help care for pregnant teenagers. They guide them in the right direction. Obviously she had time to think about what she was going to do, you don't have a baby over night.
The Thumb is big on "he said, she said" gossip. When a story this big hits the news you can bet that every Thumb resident as well as those of us that got out of there will be keeping at least one ear open for any news that comes about.
This is just a tragic story all around, the only "VICTIM" was the innocent baby that everyone keeps talking about.
July 1, 2009
11:21 a.m.Report inappropriate content
JD is right! Who knows what other things the guy did to keep his position of power in the girl's family? Sexual predators/abusers usually have an ability to control that is beyond belief! The important thing here is that a school coach / teacher / boss / clergy, or whatever, has absolutely no business fooling around with a student / employee / parishioner or whatever. THIS is what society needs to keep in mind. To blame anybody else (the girl, the mother, the school, others)is foolish. Anything else is pure gossip and takes culpability away from the real perpetrator. PLEASE! As troubling and devastating as the gossip sounds, those of you who do not understand this and want to blame anyone else than the guy, really do need to read up on the subject.
July 1, 2009
12:22 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy and JD- I do agree with you that Cory is the adult in the situation, but "her" mother is too and any mother that allows this type of behavior involving a 14 year old girl has some serious issues. I feel that Cory should be punished for what he did, and "she" should be punished for what "she" did, and the mother should be punished for being an accomplise to the whole thing. They buried an innocent infant, rather it was alive or still born, they buried it! You know when people arrive in heaven they are 30 years old, no matter what age they are here on earth, so that baby knows what happened to it, could you imaging how that feels? That pour soul is looking down on his/her parents wondering why they did that.....they all need to be punished for their part of the crime that was committed.
July 1, 2009
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I'll give anyone $100 if they can tell me where it says in the bible that people are 30 years old when they get to heaven! Tell me where it is in the bible and we can meet at an agreeable place (maybe McDonald's). --- The point that needs to be understood is that anything that is said about about this situation, including what is thought about the girl's mother, is simply gossip. Who knows what the perpetrator might have been doing to control her? Sexual abusers have great power over their victims! The predator is the one who initiated this terrible train of events. The child abuser must always be the one to blame, not the victim! Victim blaming is just one means society has of not dealing with the real problem. We are not training members (children and teens) of our communities how to deal with sexual predators! We don't talk about it in our families, or in our churches, or in our schools. Part of dealing with the problem is to always put the onus on the real perpetrator -- the guy who did it -- the person who started the horrible train of events. When we blame anyone else we sidestep the real problem.
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy-I didn't say it was in the bible...it's in Sylvia Brown's Prophecy,but that's beside the point, they were all involved they all need to be punished. So you don't think that "she" should be punished? Even if it is true that she had the baby and "got rid of it", how can you even think that? She broke the law, she gave birth to a human being and then disposed of it. What happened here is wrong on all parts of everyone involved!!
July 1, 2009
1:01 p.m.Report inappropriate content
One more thing to be said here: No matter what folks may think, no fourteen year old ever, ever has "consensual sex" with a twenty-two year old! Calling it "consensual sex" is a part of the victim blaming routine that sets society up for sexual abusers to have even more power. Again -- the point is that no coach should nor can ever allow him/herself to be in a position wherein he/she has sex with a student, no matter how much the student may "consent" or "ask for it." The term "consensual sex" is bogus, especially in this kind of a situation. Read about this problem! Get smart about it! Teach your kids! The information is out there!
July 1, 2009
1:10 p.m.Report inappropriate content
hij- I heard all about the stealing and the effects it had. You are looking in the wrong tree.
July 1, 2009
1:23 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Anyone remember Nathaniel Abraham? He was the 13 year-old boy that was convicted and imprisoned for murder when he shot a man from his hiding place in a tree while the victim was walking into a party store. A 13 year-old that was convicted as an adult in Michigan for murder.
This 14 year-old is not a "victim" at this point, and to insinuate such is an insult to all of the law-abiding people in this county. She was obviously an active participant in the disposal of her baby - whether it was dead or alive. There are thousands of girls each year that find themselves burdened with an unplanned pregnancy - but they don't entrust their 22 year-old boyfired's to "get rid of the problem" for them They choose legal solutions to their dilemma's.
Regardless of what the facts were before the birth of the child, she and her parents need to be punished for their part in it. The first stage of the case is being resolved with Cory Fritz's prosecution for CSC for having sex - consensual or not - with a 14 year-old girl. The next phase is to find the remains of that child and to prosecute everyone involved for what was done to it.
This is 2009, not 1909 - there was no stigma attached to this pregnancy. She wasn't ostracized or penalized for being pregnant. She had NO RIGHT or reason to react the way that she did, nor did Cory. They both need to be punished for the murder of this baby - or at the very least the illegal disposal of human remains if it was a stillbirth - and her parents should be prosecuted as accomplices and contributing to the delinquency of a minor and child abuse. So many laws were violated here, it is sickening.
July 1, 2009
1:27 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Punishment -- Now, that's an interesting question.
Understand this: Child/sexual predators/abusers are able to manipulate their victims and even their victim's families in very remarkable ways. In many situations, especially in our somewhat permissive society, once the ball gets rolling (once a child sex abuser has his/her way with a child) there is little that can stop it. Family members who may suspect that something is going on often go into complete denial. It is a psychological train wreck that most people are unprepared for. And, once the ball gets rolling many people are hurt, many get caught up in the process.
Are they to blame? Common sense would say, no! It's the guy who got the ball rolling in the first place, the person who started the train wreck, we have to deal with! It is then up to us to figure out ways of keeping these things from happening, again!
Let's talk about how to deal with sexual predators in our communities and our families! Let's teach our kids that sex outside of marriage is unhealthy in many ways! Be particular about who your kids hang out with and when! Go to church with your children! Talk to your pastors about dealing forthrightly and intelligently with the problems associated with human sexuality! Meet with the school teachers, doctors, and public health officials to learn more about it! If we don't do these things, then all we have is ourselves to blame -- not 14 year old kids who get caught up in the train wrecks started by child sex abusers!!
Certainly, the implications of what has been reported are horrible. The gossip sounds even worse! But, dealing with the problem compassionately and intelligently, rather than blaming and punishing unprepared persons caught up in the tragedy, is the only way to go.
July 1, 2009
1:31 p.m.Report inappropriate content
WELL PUT JOE! I agree 110% with you, punish them all for the sake of that baby.
July 1, 2009
1:38 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Unprepared persons caught up in a tragedy.....are you flippin kidding me? Unprepared??? She was well prepared when she laid down with him and had sex...she was prepared when she was pregnant, prepared to do the unthinkable. I am sorry, but at 14 she knows what murder is, and I am sure she has seen several funeral homes and knows what they are for. But yet she still buried her baby (or allowed it to be taken care of)....seriously! That is sick and wrong no matter how you look at it. Honestly how can people defend her? I understand that when you are in love you want to think the other person is looking out for your best interest, but at 14 she knew that what they where doing was wrong, plain and simple! PUNISH THEM ALL!!!!
July 1, 2009
1:49 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy, using your methodology, every single criminal with a hard luck story should be forgiven for their crimes and released back into society because they were victimized or abused by someone else that "turned them bad". That is the problem with the world today, everyone has an excuse. Also, this was a consensual relationship, not a forcible rape. That argument doesn't fly with real people, just people that are trying to defend the actions of friends and relatives that have committed these crimes.
Parents should be parents, not friends to their children. If that was the case in this situation, this baby would never have been conceived only to be murdered at birth. According to your argument, anyone that assisted Cory in engaging in his illegal activity should be punished as an accomplice. The parents of the girl, the girl, and Cory should all be punished for what happened to this child.
July 1, 2009
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Concerning Nathaniel Abraham the 13 year old boy. He went to a juvenile correction center for taking a rifle and killing a neighbor. The incident was an emotionally charged situation wherein the Oakland Co. prosecutor was forced to create an example because of the political uproar. If you have followed the story, as I have, you will understand that it is still very questionable if what happened in the sentencing was really the wisest thing that could have been done. The boy was emotionally disturbed, had been physically abused, and was mildly mentally disabled. Or do these considerations matter when talking about punishing and blaming people? Is juvvy hall the best that we could come up with for him?
Punishing and correcting do not usually go hand in hand in our criminal justice system!
But the REAL question is -- what are we doing to help in our local community? Are we preparing our children morally for the challenges they may face? What television programs do we allow our children to see? Do we raise our little girls to be seen as sex objects? Do we teach our little boys to be studs? Do we take our children to church and Sunday School? Are the adults and parents in our community coming together to learn about these problems? Do we look away when we see kids abusing alcohol, drugs, and tobacco? Do we adults do those things, ourselves? What kind of examples do we offer in our own lives?
We may be as much to blame as anyone if we don't take responsibility for ourselves and for our children!
If all we want to do is blame others, maybe we all ought to go to jail!
July 1, 2009
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olddawg- Thank You for your clarification, I was agreeing with what you said until I got a little distracted by that part. I will certainly look into this.
fuzzy- ANY parent that sees or even FEELS like their child is being manipulated (especially by an older adult) sexually and goes into "denial" (as you put it) instead of springing into action to help them is NO PARENT AT ALL. God gives parents gifts to help them raise their children...parental instinct is the most commonly used term, and failure to heed to your parental instinct is essentially failure as a parent. No one has disputed she was taken advantage of by an older individual. That does not excuse her CONSCIOUS decision to help or keep quiet about the events that took place after the fact.
July 1, 2009
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It's very easy to be judgmental and punishing. Unfortunately, being judgmental and punishing doesn't help fix the problem in the long run. It is only a distraction from actually dealing with the real problems that we as a community have turned our backs on.
Be careful about talking about the speck in someone else's eye unless you're prepared to deal with the log in your own eye! Unless you've been in a situation like this, you don't what you might do, yourself.
July 1, 2009
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I have a question for everyone that has been commenting on this subject...Are any of you trained psychologists? Just wondering because you seem like you know what a child predator thinks and feels... I dont know neither of these people so im not sticking up for anyone but im just wondering i just thought it was funny because there at like 70 posts about it and no one has asked this question oh and another thing why do you all keep saying the "victim" if she is 18 why is her name not out shows how they can protect the female but if a male was in the same case no matter what his name would still be out there funny huh i may just be thinking out loud but its weird to think about that huh and i know i will get stupid comments back but i am a parent of a daughter so i know what im talking about and i dont care what people say you know what your doing when your 14 your not dumb you know what you are doing if it is either right or wrong so dont cry over her because oh she was only 14 she didnt know any better give me a break...And 1 more thing when do we get to hear the "SUPPOSABLY" victim's side of the story when after this dude is locked up?
July 1, 2009
2:24 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy, there is no way to correct the murder of a baby. The action was done and cannot be undone. There is only punishment to be meted out to those responsible.
Culpability needs to be determined and those responsible need to be prosecuted and punished. All of your psycho-babble-mumbo-jumbo is just smoke and mirrors to try and draw attention away from the people that are responsible for the death of a child - the girl, her parents and Cory Fritz.
Cory Fritz is not the only party responsible for this situation. There is no excuse for anyone involved in this situation.
There is a point when a so-called "victim" ceases to be victimized, such as when they choose to abuse another - in this case murdering and disposing of her own child. Her parents already failed in their duty by allowing a relationship to take place between their 14 year-old and a 22 year-old which led to the pregnancy in the first place. They should be held accountable for their failure - which led to a possible murder.
Cory already admitted to sex with a minor, so he is cooked on that count (or 20 counts). The next phase is to find the remains of this child and punish all thet are responsible for its' death.
July 1, 2009
2:28 p.m.Report inappropriate content
PFC -- Actually, I am about as close as you can get to being a psychologist in a local community like this one. I've been doing work in this area of expertise for over thirty years. But, that's all I'm gonna say.
The problem is that the community is so emotionally charged over what has happened (or what they think has happened) that all they want to do is blame and punish. It is easy for us to say, "I wouldn't have done that!" But the problem of sex abuse is very complicated and involves very serious thought.
I'll say it again: There is no such thing as consensual sex between a 14 year old and a 22 year old. And, as much as we may protest, families go into denial when these things start to happen, often being used by the sex abuser in ways they cannot recognize until it is too late.
Then, once these things have happened, we get online and blame each other instead of learning all we can about what we can do to as a community from keeping it from happening again!
Instead of blaming and being judgmental, we need to step up as parents, teachers, grandparents, community leaders, and talk to our children and teens about their human sexuality. We need to be good examples, ourselves. Spend time with your kids! Be sober! Don't use drugs! Be faithful to your spouses! Don't glorify sex! Be involved with your school and churches.
If we can't do these things don't blame anybody else!
July 1, 2009
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JoeT that was very well thought out,i agree with your comments 100%. I just have to say there are a few people on here that keep saying that a 14 year old is not aware of what she is doing when she is spreading her legs. Let me tell you i was 15 when i lost my virginity and the person i was with was 15 as well and we both knew what we were doing believe me. Therefore i DO NOT want to hear that she didnt know what she was doing. And most of you on here know you were young too when you had sex. I have heard she had slept with him more that one time so tell me she as pressured into all of this because you know she wasnt. And for all here SO CALLED FRIENDS that knew about this why didnt you step up and say something like KRISTINA AND HEATHER. Heather i know your situation and respect what you have done totatlly. But one thing you may think you know someone but you really dont. I have had many so called friends lie from me. And i want to know why the victim hasnt been heard i want to know her side of the story instead of what her friends have to say.
July 1, 2009
2:33 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Oh, and Nathaniel Abraham HAD to be placed in a Juvenile Facility until he was of age - that is the law in Michigan. Also, he was out a short time after the "uproar" you talk about and went right back in to prison for another 20 years for committing MORE crimes - so much for giving a criminal a break.
It could be argued that he was predisposed to a criminal minset. It could also be said that any young girl that would assist in the murder and disposal of her own child is also predisposed to criminal behavior and will continue to commit crimes. Makes you wonder about the parents that raised that sociopathic child, doesn't it?
Stir that up in your psycho-babble witches brew.
July 1, 2009
2:33 p.m.Report inappropriate content
fuzzy, just to clarify, you are saying that the only person that is wrong in this situation is cory. the victim and her mother were brainwashed by cory and have no responsibility for their actions?
July 1, 2009
2:34 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy,
What does religion have to do with making sure your children are safe? What will that protect? Just wondering and your right sex between a 14 yr old an a 22 yr old is wrong but that does not mean she did not have a mind of her own to keep her legs closed you know it, i know it and everyone else knows it so dont give me that crap she was half at fault because it takes two to do it unless she was raped and apparently he isnt being charged for rape so it must of been consensual... And people who blame the music and tv are full of crap to cause you have freedom of choice on your actions.
July 1, 2009
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Her name is not being released because there is no charge against her yet. She had sex with a 23 year old which is not against the law....I understand its sick to think about, but not illegal. It is however, illegal to have sex with a 14 year old. Cory is the only one charged (CSC) at this time and hence his name is all over the place. We probably will not hear her side until the trial when she is on the stand giving a confession to further perpetuate the criminal case against Cory (and save herself from jail in the process).
fuzzy- I can quote Bible verse after Bible verse as well; If we sin wilfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Heb. 10: 26. EVERYONE knows murder is a sin. Also, most parents DO raise their children to live morally and most parents DO watch over their children so that this does not happen to them. This problem is not rampant in this area and that is what has so many people agitated about the actions that took place. I do agree parents need to do more with their children in general; Church, family time, you bet it is important. Ignorance is not an excuse, it was one of the first things I learned in law class and it still rings true.
July 1, 2009
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hij
That is what is wrong with the law its ok for one person to get into trouble the other just walk free trust me i know this first hand because some one close to me is sitting in jail because she lied about her age and now one of my family members has to pay but its for her to spread her legs and lie to another man to get him in the same situation forget that its wrong and unjust and like i said it only happens to the males and rarely to the females so who is unjust now?
July 1, 2009
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"Judge not lest ye be judged." I read that in the bible. I believe Jesus said it.
Jesus also said to the woman convicted of adultery -- "Your sins are forgiven -- go and sin no more!"
As bad as we think this situation is, here, we must look for solutions to the problems. Finding out who we can punish may make us feel better, but it doesn't deal with the problems we must confront and our own responsibility.
A child sex abuser is a person who has sex with a minor. That's it, no matter what you may think about the minor's morality or lack thereof. Usually, these child sex abusers are recidivists who need life-long psychological/psychiatric care and supervision. It is often a problem related to obsessive compulsive disorder. Teaching our community, especially our children, how to avoid being victims is crucial to fighting the problem and winning the battle. Coming together to learn how we can teach our children to do this is much more important than trying to come up with ways to punish those who get caught up in the harm caused by the child sex abuser.
Unless we understand this, the problem will just go on. One sex abuser who gets put away will simply be replaced by another one. One person who was, indeed, a victim of a sex abuser will be vilified and punished, only to be replaced by the next one. And the problem will go on and on.
Start learning about this problem! Quit being judgmental! Be involved in your school, church, community, youth groups! Get to know your neighbors and start caring about them and their kids! Be compassionate and loving!
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy,
Like i said you keep quoting the bible and i ask again how does religion play a key in situations like this?
July 1, 2009
2:52 p.m.Report inappropriate content
like i said i was her age once an having sex(not with 22 year olds) and i knew exactly what i was doing at that age, she took a chance when she spread her legs one time that she there was a possibility of geting pregnant and cory knew too therefore they both should have known better.
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy do you personally know this girl or not because if you dont know her let me tell you i know her very well and she had sex with him more than once dont tell me this bible crap she knew she wanted more of him so she went back multiple times and had sex. But he was wrong too and the two of them should have stopped the relationship there.
July 1, 2009
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PFC -- If religion doesn't have anything to say about a situation like this, then we need to tear all the churches down!
Churches have traditionally taught values and morals. It should be no surprise to us that when half of our citizens no longer attend church that these problems should be getting worse!
Without the basic teachings children and folks in general simply become more vulnerable to being victimized by child sex abusers!
The church I go to teaches about morality, temperance, the importance of sobriety, honesty, being decent, loving, caring, compassionate, forgiving, truthful, and all the other things listed in the Boy Scouts Law (trustworty, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverant). One of a faith community's jobs is to help it's members practice these things. All these things are in the bible.
Churches that fail to teach these things are just taking up space that would be better used for growing trees or for parking.
July 1, 2009
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Look, Fuzzy, this case isn't about this "child sexual abuser" crap you keep spewing.
Cory Fritz already admitted to having sex with her, he was charged with it, and he will plea it out like every other CSC case in this county.
The issue here is the death of a baby and who is responsible for that. You quote scripture as if that obliterates the fact that this girl participated in causing the death of her own child! I can't speak for anyone else on this board, but I was taught that murder was a crime in God's eyes, so I don't quite understand why a person that professes to believe in God and quotes God's word would try and justify the murder of a child by using scripture to defend the perpetrators! You, sir are a hypocrite.
Like it or not, not every crime is indicative of a greater problem in society. This crime is the like of which has never been seen in this county before, so it is safe to say that we as a community are NOT somehow to blame. It is THOSE PEOPLE that committed this crime that are to blame. We in this community don't need to be made to feel that we are in some way complicit because we stand up and demand that murderers of innocent children be punished!
My children aren't baby killers, so I guess I - like the vast majority of people in this county - have done a good job raising them. They know right from wrong - the same as this girl does. If she didn't know that what she did was wrong, she wouldn't have been so afraid of getting caught and she would have come forward right away - not 3 years later after a third party witness brought this situation to the attention of the authorities. The same goes for her parents.
Also, I believe the reason that we aren't hearing anything from the girl and her parents is because their lawyer told them to shut their mouths. Cory made the strategic mistake of admitting to authorities what he did - that's why he is taking the fall for this alone. The girl and her parents lawyered up to cover their own butts. This is like a bad episode of CSI.
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy
So since i have never went to church im bad is that what your saying? Cause i know i have never stepped inside of a church and i belive i turned out quite fine because of common sense
July 1, 2009
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ok all of these comments about the "victim" being too young and that she didn't know any better are absolutely stupid. yes, i know she was 14 at the time, and no i am not saying cory was in the right to have sexual relations with her, but they did. we need to get over that part. obviously cory got the "victim" pregnant, and everyone has witnessed that when she was playing volleyball and softball, and also wearing baggy sweatshirts to school even on scorching hot days. however, even though she may have been 14, she knows she gave birth. and i know if i gave birth to a baby i would want to know where the heck it is. so how does she get off not being blamed for any of this. even if cory did take the baby and do something to it then the "victim" should have called the cops and reported it. i feel sorry for the baby because it didn't have a choice in this matter. it was put into the hands of two very immature people, no matter what their ages are.
July 1, 2009
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People who have sex at the age of 14 or 15 really DO NOT know what they are doing! Shame on anyone who would say otherwise! This attitude is simply a part of this serious problem!
An adult who has sex with a 14 year old, especially if they are a coach, has committed a crime, no matter what anyone may think about the 14 year old or her parents.
Period. That's the point!
To look for other persons to blame or to punish takes the onus off of the person who got the ball rolling in the first place. We can't do that. To do that would require that WE ALL be punished. After all, this is a community that we'll all a part of. Where do we stop looking for blame? (Like, did the next door neighbors know about it? Did the folks down the street know about it? Did friends know about it?)
Instead of blaming, get involved with your schools, churches, youth groups! Have meetings with your teachers, doctors, mental health professionals. Learn about this stuff and find out what you can do!
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy you are correct- "go and sin no more" (that was your verse)- not go and repeat the sin 19 more times, cover up the repercussions, and then turn over a new leaf when you are being prosecuted for those sins.
John 5:14 “See, you have been made well, Sin no more, lest a worse thing comes upon you.” Jesus said that too.
Again, I am not arguing parents need to play a bigger part in their childs life. However, she did play a role and deserves something.
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy
See you keep putting up comments and are totally skippin over my question i have asked you. And yes when you are 14 you know what your doing and if you belive it to be false you sir or ma'am and turning a blind eye
July 1, 2009
3:22 p.m.Report inappropriate content
PFC -- Of course, people can be very moral and not go to church. Some atheists and non-church attenders can be more moral than devout Christians! But you asked what religion has to say about this kind of thing. I told you and did not judge you.
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy
I have another question if 14 yr olds do not know what they are doing why do they do it? why do they think about it? What makes them do it? i really would like to hear your comments on this... because i personally knew what i was doing i knew that if i messed up that a baby would come out of it i knew my choices and what would happen if i did it they teach you this in like 3rd grade come on now so dont say or preach that they dont know what they are doing
July 1, 2009
3:34 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Im Waiting Fuzzy
July 1, 2009
3:35 p.m.Report inappropriate content
All you blame-ers and punish-ers need to look up Sex Abuse, Child Sex Abuse, Pedophilia, Consensual Sex on the Internet. Go to Wikipedia and read about it. Check out the links in the articles. Go read some books.
The problem of POWER and CONTROL asserted by a sex abuser is very great and somewhat complicated. Families, parents, as well as the child involved can easily get caught up in a process (like snow ball rolling downhill) that gets so complicated that they have no idea how it happened to them.
The fact that a child can have sex repeatedly with an adult says nothing about the morality of that child! The onus must be on the adult who is the abuser. Otherwise, you let the abuser off the hook. No coach, teacher, clergy, boss, or any other person with perceived power, should ever be involved like that with a child!
These are the facts. Learn about them!
July 1, 2009
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Religion is bunk if it supposedly absolves a person of responsibility for murdering and disposing of their own child at birth.
If I have to go to church to learn how to do that and use scripture to cover my actions, then atheism is looking pretty good to me.
July 1, 2009
3:37 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Really so i look up this on wikipedia...If you have all the knowledege you would know this is not a credible site so try again Mr. Preacher
July 1, 2009
3:39 p.m.Report inappropriate content
PFC - You were an exceptionally smart kid! The fact is, however, most kids who find themselves being abused by a 22 year old will say, later on, that they really didn't know what they were doing or how the guy got the power over them that he did.
The point is this: No 22 year old, especially a coach, should ever have sex with a 14 year old. We can give him no excuses if that's what he did. To call it consensual removes some of the onus from him. We can't do that.
July 1, 2009
3:42 p.m.Report inappropriate content
PFC -- So, go out and buy a book that talks about Child Abuse! While you're on your computer, just do a Google!
July 1, 2009
3:43 p.m.Report inappropriate content
That i agree with you Sir or Ma'am im not disagreeing that im just saying you know what you are doing and if she was being brain washed or w/e wish she was not there are people for that to help her and Sir or Ma'am i am not a kid i am a grown man and serving in the military and have a family so please dont put me at the level of a child
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy, the sex abuse issue is being resolved with Cory Fritz's prosecution for 20 counts of CSC.
You are using the legal definition of "consent" and completely absolving this girl and her family of any responsibility for their actions in murdering and disposing of a child. You are wrong.
No matter how hard you try, you will not be able to turn reasonably intelligent people to your way of thinking. The girl and her parents knew that murdering and disposing of a child at birth was wrong, yet they obviously participated in the action and the cover-up afterward.
I don't care what happened to her prior to this action, and I don't think anyone else does either. There is no excuse for murder and then the conscious action of covering it up for 3 years. This is a discussion about what happened to this child and who is responsible. The responsible parties have to be punished for what they did.
So stop trying to cover up with scripture and hiding behind psycho-babble and scripture. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Get over it.
July 1, 2009
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I understand that you are saying "subconciously" an underage person does not know the complete effects of their decisions, and that they are unable to fully make clear decisions pertaining to their actions and the circumstances they can create. This is why you have to be 21 to drink. However, if a 16 year old drinks and chooses to drive, and they happen to kill someone while driving intoxicated, they will still be held accountable for those actions. The same principal could be argued here.
July 1, 2009
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has anyone ever looked at the fact that cory wasn't her coach when this was going on? it started after he resigned as softball coach. does it make it better? absolutely not, but don't make it sound like it was going on as he was the coach. i mean you wanna look at coaches messing around with players then someone should take a nice long look over to the other side of the county to unionville and look at their scumbags that seem to never get caught.
July 1, 2009
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Joe -- It isn't psycho-babble. And, you don't really know the facts about this situation, do you?
July 1, 2009
3:49 p.m.Report inappropriate content
hij- No prob. There are lots of people gettin' pretty wound up and there is only so much a blog entry can explain. Check it out tho. Im thinkin you will be intrigued. (somebody else ripped me last nite too!:) )
Fuzzy, Fuzzy, Fuzzy!! Reality check my friend. You might be as close as you can get to a psychologist in this area, but you are not. You seem to be a little out of date with how much young adults know at a very early age. She knew exactly what was going on. Cory certainly isnt smart enough to manipulate this many people. The power he held? Come on! If he was so powerful, charming...he could have actually got a woman to do what he could only find a 14 year old to do! Ive read it and posted it myself, there is one victim.
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy - I don't know who the h#^l you think you are, but I am here to tell you that I/we as society are NOT TO BLAME for a selfish teenager, a 22 year that knows better and lazy mother that didn't get off her butt to stop this. How dare you blame us for their mistakes! What is wrong with your head?? Honestly....you sit there like "she" and her mother did nothing wrong...I am sorry to break the bad news, but my 14 year old daughter knows D@$N well what will happen to her if she has unprotected sex. Now unless "she" has some sort of disability she knows D#&N straight what she did. You need to stop blaming society for everything!! I personally had nothing to do with burying a baby.....if I had anything to do with it, it would NOT HAVE HAPPENED!! Don't blame us for stupid s#%t others do. They need to stand up and take the wrath for themselves. ALL OF THEM!!!!! You have some serious issues blaming society, my child knows better, does yours????? You are just not right!
July 1, 2009
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A lot of folks here sound like the Pharisees who wanted to throw rocks at the woman caught in adultery. Throw your rocks, folks. Throw your rocks.
Still, it won't help.
Learn about the problem. Don't blame the victim, no matter what you may think of her. Don't excuse the perpetrator from what he did by blaming others. Try to understand the snowball effect of child sexual abuse. Get involved with your community's youth groups, churches, health care professionals, teachers, and others who know something about this problem.
You may think it only happened once or rarely in Gagetown. Forget that idea! The problem is rampant and it is because the blame-ers and punish-ers would rather look somewhere else.
July 1, 2009
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I totally agree nunya
July 1, 2009
4 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Wow, I can't believe there is already 100 comments on here! This is becoming more of how much can we argue with and hate each other than anything else! Yikes.
July 1, 2009
4 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Are you kidding me PADRE do you actually think about half the S##t you write on here? Really come on now so your telling me that she should not get punished at all really !!!!
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy, I doubt that I know as much about this situation as you do because I would NEVER waste my time trying to defend these actions. You obviously are very familiar with this girl and her family - probably their Pastor or something? Well, then you failed in your job as well because a member of your flock committed a heinous crime and you are defending it. A child is dead, and you are trying to justify the actions of the murderers and others that hid the crime.
You have problems, buddy. And you wonder why so many people avoid churches these days. Go figure.
July 1, 2009
4:08 p.m.Report inappropriate content
nunya! You don't need all of the h#^l's and D@$N's and s#%t's in your posts. I'm a very reasonable person! Most folks think I'm nice and they don't cuss at me.
You may think you know so much about your 14 year old daughter. That's fine. But, she may not know as much about child sex abusers as you would like her to know. You might be surprised!
The point is that child sex abusers are the ones who we need to focus on in our blaming, not the persons they use to satisfy their need. Also, a 22 year old who has sex with a 14 year old is a lot different from two 14 year-olds rolling in the clover.
July 1, 2009
4:10 p.m.Report inappropriate content
well from what i see i think FUZZY needs to leave cause he is VERY boring. But i like the comments posted by JOET and PFCMARINE, they seem to make the most sense.
July 1, 2009
4:10 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Thats right PADRE keeping moving the blame away from this girl had sex knowing that there would be trouble yep thats right you know all the answers Hey PADRE do you know when the world is going to end just wondering i figured since you knew it all i would get as much info from you as i can
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy - You are just sick and wrong. That's all I have left to say.....sick and wrong. Justice will be done, and they will all have their punishment.
P.S. Do you have the winning numbers for this weekends lottery????? You seem to know everything else.....
July 1, 2009
4:21 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Hey you blame-ers and punish-ers!
I could be a teacher, or a counselor, or a Sunday School teacher, or a retired doctor, or a nurse, or a garage mechanic, or a pastor, or a priest, or a retired Hindu monk. I could be an atheist who reads the bible and goes to church occasionally, just for my own amusement. I could be an army sergeant, or a journalist, or a commercial airline pilot. I might be the guy who takes care of the cemetery or the golf course or sweeps the streets or a garbage collector.
Don't assume that I'm anything.
What I do see is a bunch of folks who are spewing, angry, looking for a way out, trying to find a responsible party, looking for meaning in something that's meaningless.
It's frustrating. But, try to get all the facts before you spew! Remember to love one another. Learn how to forgive.
No matter what I am, I'll pray for our community. I'll pray for you, too -- even though I might be a Buddhist priest, or a physicist on vacation, or just a butterfly collector.
July 1, 2009
4:23 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I think we know more about this than you think, Fuzzy. There is a huge difference betweem CSC and Sexual abuse. HUGE. If she was taken advantage of in any way, he would be looking at 1st degree sexual abuse involving a minor. Do you really think every female that has lost her virginity at age 14/15 is sexual abused? You can bet your a*s, with the baby being involved, she would have screamed rape or abuse about 3 years ago just to cover her own a*s.
I dont think anybody said that the Thumb doesnt have way more than its share for such a small place. Its amazing how much "bad" stuff happens here. But you have to look at the fact that after 3 years she STILL did not press any charges. She was getting exactly what she wanted. I think most if not all of us agree it was wrong. The parents, friends and the "others" (it will come out folks)everyone knew it was wrong. Their failure to stop it was also wrong. Gross actually. But its the victim with no voice that has this blog going. But you might not get that because according to you she probably didnt even realize she had a baby. How could she possibly understand that, right? I mean she was only 14/15 years old. Musta just figured she was gaining a lil' weight. Or her chest was abnormally shaped.
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy your textbook talking is just skipping around the issue that "she" wanted to have sex with him. I have been in a "forced situation" and was "forced" to keep quiet. But I can tell you this, as soon as I was able I spoke up. This baby was not even given the reguard of being considered family...just trash to be thrown away. I would NEVER let anyone hurt my child in anyway nor would I turn a blind eye if my daughter was wanting to be with an older man at any time. That is my God given job. It really makes me angry that you think this girls mother should not be held accountable for not protecting her child, or grandchild. The devil himself would have one hell of a fight on his hands if he tried to kill my grandchild!! As for this girls reasons; shame on her. She could of "went to visit a friend" had the baby and moved on with her life . Noone to be the wiser or so she thought. Having sex often leads to unwanted childbirth. Maybe she should of thought about this before she had sex. Then her "REP" her being a "ROLE MODEL" her "LIFE" would of never been brought into question. I live in another state now also but do still have family and friends in the area and have heard many things about this. All I wanted to say is that its not like cory is/was a preditor. He did have relations with 1 girl, and for that he should be punished, the mother knew of this from the get go and allowed it to continue and become a sexual relationship that took place in her own home. For that she should also be punished. The girl at the age she was should of never took a second look at an adult let alone a coach. Bad choice on her part. Her guilt comes in when she hid the birth and disposal of her child, and for that she should also be punished.
July 1, 2009
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missingsparklecity -- You don't really know what happened, do you?
July 1, 2009
4:29 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy! Meaningless?! WTF! A baby is "missing"! Thats meaningless? I dont think there is alot of anger. Deffinately some. I think whats here is a bunch of people that have alot of passion for what they believe. And that is a good thing
July 1, 2009
4:31 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy,
Im just wondering you must not know much either because your throwing the bible around like it something to do with what happened thats right i forgot it has a page in there here i will read it for you "Verse 250000 Page: 7000: "Thou shall sleep with older men and get pregnant and then kill thou child and get away free and clean and let the other person get thrown in prison" thats right i forgot it was in there im so glad you cleared that one for me PADRE
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy,
You know way too much about this and you are going out of your way to defend the actions of murderers. So what was your involvement? What did you know? Have you been interviewed by the authorities? Please enlighten us all as to why we are so wrong in demanding that the guilty be held accountable and punished for their actions.
What would your punishment be, Jesus Man?
July 1, 2009
5:15 p.m.Report inappropriate content
JoeT and all you other blamers and punishers --
You really don't know what happened, do you?!
Gossips! For shame.
July 1, 2009
5:36 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy,
I am not gossiping. I read the article that included statements from the Tuscola County Prosecutor as to what happened, sworn statements from Cory Fritz as to what happened, and a statement from a 3rd party as to what events occured. The article states that Cory was there for the birth and that the child "was taken care of". Of course there is no mention of the girl, other to say that the prosecutor is aware that several more sexual encounters took place beyond what Fritz admits to because she was interviewed. There is little mention of the girl, but that isn't surprising because Reene is known for playing close to the vest and he rarely unnecessarily divulges information on cases that he is building or prosecuting. That's obvious if you have followed his career in the Advertiser. But I don't believe that Reene will let her or her family go scott free in this. I don't see how any honest or ethical prosecutor could.
These are facts. What you are spewing is jibberish. My bet is that this girl and her family are also under investigation for their part in this crime and have secured legal representation and that is why they are staying mum. But you probably already know that since you seem to know them so well and defend them so strongly.
I'll say it again, being a willing victim does not exonerate anyone from crimes that they commit. She gave birth to a child and took part in its' death and disposal - right a long with her parents and Fritz. She deserves to be punished just as much as he does. And her parents should be punished to the full extent of the law for their part in this as well.
I'm not ashamed of anything that I have written on this board, and I will sleep soundly tonight. Will you?
July 1, 2009
5:46 p.m.Report inappropriate content
WOW. Alot has happened since I last checked... some people must not have a life..... As said before, Cory knew what he was doing, and he will take his punishment..... The thing that bother's me the most is that there could be more people involved, that need to be brought to justice. Cory, may God help you in any way.....
July 1, 2009
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Fuzzy; I know way more then I am willing to tell you. You seem to think your the only one with the info here, well guess what....I know you need to be better informed. I will pray for YOUR SOUL tonight with the knowledge that you believe its ok to murder then cover it up....
GOD FORBID!!!!!
July 1, 2009
6:02 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Do we know if anyone actually committed a murder? Did the newspaper say that? What gossip are you listening to?
July 1, 2009
6:15 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Missingsparklecity: I don't think it is ok to commit murder. I never said that. What I don't believe is right is for everyone to be posting here, saying things about people that haven't been proven in court. The criminal investigation isn't even over. Yet, people are blaming and punishing, already.
If you have information about this, I hope you have shared it with the authorities so their investigation will go well. If more people need to be "brought to justice," let the prosecuting attorney be the one to do it. Aren't we all innocent until proven guilty?
Even then, it is true that in situations of child sexual abuse there are mitigating circumstances that most psychologists will attest to that can involve the victim and their whole family. Can't we be open to that possibility, instead of being so sure of our judgment?
Unfortunately, what I have been reading on this bulletin board is stuff that practically laughs in the face about what is well known by the experts about child sexual abuse.
How many of you who are judgers and blamers and punishers have a degree in psychology?
July 1, 2009
6:39 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy,
The heading of the article we are all commenting on is titled, "Coach admits to getting teen pregnant; Where's the baby?", you knucklehead.
Cory Fritz admitted he got her pregnant and disposed of the baby. He told other people the same thing, hence the 3rd party witness. READ THE ARTICLE THIS BOARD IS COMMENTING ON.
The girl admitted to the sexual relationship. People have posted on this board that they were aware that this girl was pregnant "oversized sweatshirts on sweltering day, putting on weight, baby was in the belly in June - she was back to her slim self in the fall". Cory stated that she wanted to "get rid of it" in his statement to the police. That was admitted into evidence at his hearing.
This "sexual abuse" excuse is complete baloney. And by the way, you stated that you weren't a psychiatrist or psychologist, either, so who are you to preach to anyone? What gives you the right to pass judgement on people that are following this story and are morally repulsed by the actions of these people???
This girl was not raped. According to the posts on this board, she and Cory carried on a relationship out in the open and she viewed him as her boyfriend and acted accordingly. She didn't view herself as a victim, and if she is claiming to be one now then it is only as a basis for her defense to keep her out of prison for the rest of her life for murder. Cory broke the law by having consensual sex with a minor. It is an age-based offense, nothing more - at least in terms of the CSC charges. She was willing, but she wasn't legally of age to consent. I guess Fritz should have got the girl's mother to put her approval in writing, since it is so clear from all the witnesses on this board that she was aware and approved of the relationship.
People like you are the problem with our society. You have to try and "explain" everything, when there is no rational explanation for someone to do something like this. It is pure, unadulterated selfishness and cruelty to murder a child at birth and to dispose of it so inhumanely. It is a criminal act perpetrated by all involved - the ones that committed the crime and the ones that covered it up.
So stop trying to push the "victim" defense because none of the potential jurors on this board are buying what you are selling. That girl was a willing participant, and she is equally responsible for what happened to the baby that she carried and helped "get rid of".
July 1, 2009
6:41 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy,
Yes what I know is/was discussed with the police. Bridgeport crime lab to be exact. But you fail to remember that years ago girls at the age of puberty (anywhere from apx. 9 - ??) were getting married and having familys and staying married for life. Times have sure changed. It becomes child sexual abuse when it is a child that is not willing or unable to know right from wrong, But, "She" CHOSE to lay with this man. It was a choice she made of her own free will. One that she chose over and over again.!!
July 1, 2009
6:48 p.m.Report inappropriate content
i must clarify that i do NOT condone in anyway children having sex. I cannot change what has happened through the years either. Personally I'm not so sure that 16 is a good age either. Depends on mental ability to handle it.
July 1, 2009
7 p.m.Report inappropriate content
"People like you are the problem with our society." What kind of a redneck reply is that?
July 1, 2009
7:10 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Unless you can convince those that run this site to remove the comments section from all articles, then you will have to put up with the comments of everyone who feels the need to post something. You may not like what people have to say, but it's human nature to give an opinion on a topic, even if the reader has no personal connection or knowledge of the events.
All any of you that are blasting the rest of the 'commentors' for 'hurting the families' are doing is adding fuel to the fire. The number of comments doubled in just a few short hours, mainly with those begging people to stop posting...in essence what you have done is helped create a monster, because now everyone will read further into the comments because there are so many.
Ever heard of not feeding the trolls?
July 1, 2009
7:13 p.m.Report inappropriate content
fuzzy are you from the area do you know the parties involved personally because a few people seem to think you know more than you are letting be known. So do you know the parties invovled personally???
July 1, 2009
7:39 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Why is everyone saying Cory or the "victim" killed a child? None of you even know what happened. How this child died. Yes it was still wrong of how the situation was handled, I won't argue that, but none of you can say.. "A baby was KILLED." Because YOU DON'T KNOW THAT! Unless, you were there, and saw it, which appareltly you all have because you all seem to know everything that happened.
I'm not going to waste my breath or time on this any more, I really have a lot more important things to do with my life, and seriously reading this thing makes me feel dumber by the second. I know I will never be able to stop these comments, so comment away. Get your kicks by reading and posting on this, I really think that you should all be out living your perfect lives, with your perfect children, where nothing ever goes wrong, instead of sitting and reading this nonsense.
I will not waiver from my support of the "victim" and her family and you can all think what you want about that. They will continue to be my very best friends, no matter what happens. No matter what anyone writes on this dumb thing. (And if any of you are reading this, I love you all so much, and you can call me anytime, and I can buy more ice cream!! :)
And to Fuzzy, whoever you are, you have a lot of good points, and I think that people are just so arrogant and stuck in their ways and so used to believing gossip and garbage that no one wants to give you a chance. But we're all entilted to our own opinions I guess. I have to be honest I havn't read all your comments, but the ones I have read are very nice, and I would like to give you a hug.
And to Kristina Zuzga, nobody really likes you. :) Just kidding. I'm glad that you were able to also stand up for what is right. It's a good thing that the "victims" family has such amazing friends on their side. :)
For the rest of you, none of you are God, none of you have the right to judge anybody. I'll pray for every single one of you, and I pray that the truth will come out in this case, and those who need to be punished, will be. And I think all of you should do the same, instead of sitting here pointing fingers.
July 1, 2009
7:45 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Missingsparklecity: I don't think we can excuse a 22 year old in 21st Century USA who has sex with a 14 year old, whether she's mature enough to handle it, or not. Most experts in child sexual abuse hold to the theory that 14 year-olds cannot have consensual sex, even if they say they want to have sex. That's what makes it abusive. The 22 year old male, in this case, is in the power position. That puts the onus on him, not her.
To everyone else:
As to whether the baby is dead -- we haven't been told that. That has not come out in court or in the investigation, only in gossip.
If it was killed -- we haven't been told who may have participated. That has not come out in court or in the investigation, either. Only in gossip.
Hence, it is somewhat hasty for anyone to be posting such allegations on this bulletin board. In fact, I wonder if anyone posting to this bulletin board could wind up being investigated or called to court for their testimony -- stuff they've posted here that makes it seem like they know so much? I don't personally know the persons involved in this case. But, couldn't the prosecuting attorney subpoena the records of the newspaper to get the names of those who've been blabbing their allegations, here? It sounds like some of them know a whole lot.
And if posters are alleging things about a possibly innocent minor and her family, imagine the law suits for civil damages! All had better make sure their allegations are true and that they can defend them before they make them. Once they're posted, its too late.
The odd thing is: If a 22 year old man and a 14 year old girl were indeed having this relationship out in the open, how come the whole village of Gagetown and everybody else went along with it? It sounds pretty fishy to me. Somewhat incredible, actually.
That's why I'm having trouble believing all the judgmental stuff coming from all the posters on this bulletin board. It probably was a lot less out in the open then they think.
Believe me, I respect the concerns everybody has for the missing baby. It would have been a terrible tragedy. But, in spite of all the emotional diatribe in these posts, I also believe in being respectful and civil in our comments. If you'll read the posting policy on this bulletin board you'll see how various persons have violated it repeatedly, especially the section on disguising swear words. But, I won't complain.
People are innocent until proven guilty. It's the American way. I believe in due process --
-- Yes, even people like me!
July 1, 2009
7:54 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Heather --
Thanks for your support! I know there a lot more folks in the area who can keep an open mind. I wish more loving people would post more of their comments here (in a sensitive, respectful way) so as to make the folks of the center part of Michigan's Thumb look a bit more appealing to the people from all over the world who read them.
It's been tough enough with all the other bad reactionary news that has come from the area (the OK City Blaster being just one example) in the past few years. Hasn't the FBI spent enough time around here, already?
July 1, 2009
8:28 p.m.Report inappropriate content
So much of what I am reading on here concerns me. First of all I would not say that we in the Gagetown area are sick or illiterate.
What I think many people fail to point-out about this area and probably most small towns is that peer groups tend to be of mixed ages. It is perfectly normal in this area and in other small towns for people of various ages to hang out together. I think part of the problem is that Cory should never have been a Coach at such a young age to begin with.
I am not condoning anything either party has done I am saying that they are BOTH in the wrong regarding the baby situation and the mother was in the wrong all the way around. The partying in that household continues even during all of this controversy.
Fuzzy - you say we are "blamer-ers" You keep quoting that we should be examples and I agree and shouldn't this victim's mother then be held to blame for allowing this girl to be in a relationship like this. She was more adult than any other party involved. In what way could Cory have manipulated her to believe this was okay..hypnosis? You stated that missingsparklecity was the problem with society but I maintain it's people like you.
Do you also feel we should not spank our children and time-outs solve all wrongs? Because I have to say that since the pyschiatrists and psychologists and social-workers have taken over I see more lack of respect in children because they KNOW we as parents and caregivers have lost the upper hand when it comes to the law and the ability to punish our children and to teach them right from wrong using consequences.
July 1, 2009
8:36 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Thumbres:
The world will be reading what you just posted.
What you're saying about psychiatrists, phychologists, social workers and the like sort of looks like modern U.S. right wing anti-intellectualism. Not only did the Nazis do that kind of stuff, but so did the Communists in the USSR. It is also what is going on in Iraq to keep down the masses. It is the kind of mind control and brainwash that appeals to uneducated persons.
Keep it up! Let the world know what is really going on here.
July 1, 2009
9:20 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Correction to the last post: I didn't mean Iraq, I meant Iran. They are arresting the intellectuals in Iran. Sorry.
July 1, 2009
9:38 p.m.Report inappropriate content
So nice the way all the friends of this so-called "victim" gets all touchy feely in public with their words of encouragement and undying devotion on a public blog.
Then there is Fuzzy, the uneducated wannabe psychiatrist practicing on blogs without a license. It's so easy to pretend to be so high and mighty, quoting scripture and defending the reprehensible actions of these people, in an anonymous forum. Vain attempts at turning the tide of public opinion, no doubt.
Again, I will point out the details in the article that the writers on this blog are commenting on. Cory Fritz admitted in a statement that was admitted into court - on the record - that he had sex with this girl and conceived a child. He also stated that SHE wanted him to "get rid of it" when it was born. Furthermore, he stated to a 3rd party witness that he needed to "dispose of the remains" which he buried in Gagetown. That is all ON THE RECORD and reported in this article. Commenting on facts that were printed in this article is NOT libel, slander or heresay, so you can stop trying to be a lawyer now and trying to intimidate the people that post here. You are the maniputator and the abuser, Fuzzy, acting like a petulent child when things don't go your way and people don't fall in line with your propaganda. Funny that you should mention Nazi's, have you studied them and their tactics, too, in addition to becoming an amateur psychologist in your spare time?
No matter what you say, it will not change the fact that the police are actively searching for the remains of this child, the "victim/perpetrater" and her family are hiding behind their lawyer and we won't hear from them because they are most likely under investigation themselves for their part in the death of this child, and the Prosecutor's office is scrutinizing every detail.
I will say it again, every person involved in this case needs to be prosecuted. The CSC case is a separate issue all together, and does not absolve this "victim/perpetrator" and her family of their crime.
Finally, when you start describing people in this area as "uneducated" and "redneck" you better get a better handle on your audience. Many of us hold college degrees and have a lot of world experience outside of this county and we are perfectly capable of expressing an informed opinion, so, Preacher, choose your words wisely. Insulting and threatening your adversary because you are losing the debate in the hall of public opinion is something that I would expect from a closed-minded old fool that has a lot to hide himself. Doesn't lend a lot to the credibility of any of these "friends" and "advocates" of the "victim/perpetrator", does it?
July 1, 2009
9:38 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy,
Really?? Thank you, I'll be sure to let the other alumni know their credentials are worthless. Obviously no self respecting college graduate would venture an opinion regarding parents being allowed to dicipline their children.
Pardon me for looking at the statistics and seeing the rise in crime and the attitudes of the current "entitlement" generation as being in direct correlation to the attitudes of certain professionals that all these kids aren't bad and shouldn't be diciplined they're just misunderstood. When I was in school if you misbehaved you got your bottom paddled - EVEN IN HIGH SCHOOL! I have to say the youth crime rate of my generation was lower than what today's is....but I'm just a brainwashed uneducated person - what do I know?
Lack of parenting directly affects this issue and lack of parenting IS addressed in the bible. Please don't quote only what suits your argument.
July 1, 2009
9:53 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Keep posting. The world is reading your ridiculous right wing anti-intellectual hogwash.
July 1, 2009
10:14 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Rightwing? If you are a logical and educated person, you must be rightwing? If you had any idea who I am and what I do for a living - outside of Tuscola County, by the way - you would be very embarrased at that comment. And I am far from "anti-intellectual", as I am sure many of the other poster's on this board are.
What I am is a parent and a law-abiding citizen that is appalled by the actions of these people. Any parent that has held their dying baby in their arms can understand exactly where I am coming from. To show such a lack of respect for a weak and helpless child is an atrocity for which there are no words.
There is no punishment sufficient enough for taking the life of a child, and there is no excuse for it.
I am done debating with you, Fuzzy. There is enough information in the postings on this board and in the articles on this website for people to formulate an opinion. Take your psycho-babble and vitriol out of it, and you have facts and legitimate questions regarding the actions of this "victim/perpetrator" and her family, and the public outrage that they have not been held accountable for their actions so far.
That is not "ridiculous right wing anti-intellectual hogwash", and any truly educated and informed individual can easily recognize that. So, take your uneducated, uninformed, backwater religious psycho-babble propaganda and eat it. I hope you and your little clique of "supporters" can live with yourselves for defending this type of criminal behavior.
July 2, 2009
12:01 a.m.Report inappropriate content
So, any new information here? or just more fuzzy B.S.
July 2, 2009
12:49 a.m.Report inappropriate content
So, do you moderate this board, Joe and Thumbres, telling them when to leave? Anything anybody says you disagree with you give em a good rant? Must be feeling good sitting there thinking of ways to nail your neighbors who are feeling pretty bad about this, right now. And you probably don't even understand half of went on, as long as you've got a good meaty tale to tell. You just don't like the people you've got the news on. You've probably never like them. That's all.
What are you doing to make Gagetown a good place for a family to raise their kids? Chasing all the liberals out of town? You certainly wouldn't want a psychologist working there. He might tell you to quit beating your kids' behinds and start talking to them, instead and offering them good examples to live by. Wouldn't want to change that, though! You certainly wouldn't want social workers trying to help the town people figure out this mess and even come together to support one another in their pain and hurt. With your mighty 90 IQ you don't need the extra brain power of those who might come around trained to give expert advice. And you certainly wouldn't want to pay their much too high salaries. You just want the world to leave you alone so you can go on living life with your occasional child abuse cases that you could just as well handle your own way. Probably don't even need the sheriff or the state police to do it, either, right? The little group of guys who gather down in the bar on Wednesday nights can better figure out how to mete out justice their way -- the Michigan Way. Slap those kids around good! Keep it quiet! Make em scared of you! Use your manly power. That's how we raise our kids in Gagetown and we're proud of it! And you certainly don't need the church. And the school is useless. And the policeman is just one of the guys.
July 2, 2009
12:59 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Nemosity:
Actually I don't have a B.S. I have a B.A. and 3 years of grad work at a prominent east coast University. My children are grown, happily married -- have kids, nice jobs. One of them, the PhD kid is doing scientific research in Boston.
The fact is that you guys reject what the experts -- the ones doing the research -- are saying about child sex abuse and the intricately powerful influence it can have on a victim and his or her family. You reject that, and when you do it makes you look ridiculous.
I don't indeed defend criminal behavior. But, I do know that criminal behavior can create a huge mess that is like an unstoppable train wreck. Child sex abuse is when a 22 year old has sex with a 14 year old child, whether that child wants or not. It isn't consensual sex no matter how bad she wants it. That's why it is called sex abuse. When that ball gets rolling the parents and family sometimes do not know what to do and go into denial. Their family system sort of shuts down. Then they only come to their senses, months later, asking themselves how this could have happened.
People like you will watch this happening to the family and wonder what in the heck is wrong with those people! And they probably wouldn't be able to tell you for years. That's the way this tragedy often comes down. So, it is helpful to have folks in the community who understand this kind of thing.
This is a typical scenario for sex abuse cases. If it sounds like religious psycho-babble propaganda to you, I'm sorry. But, most of the other pinko liberal intellectual experts on the subject I talk to on a regular basis tend to agree with me on this. But, these are the guys who can help.
July 2, 2009
3:14 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy, before you go on another one of your liberating tyranical rants....ooops, too late... Anyway, I meant fuzzy, as in unclear information, hearsay, and pure speculation. Seems with all that education you would understand that a capital letter designates someones name, or handle in your case. Ease up off your crusade a moment and realize not everyone is out to get you for your meer opinions. Regardless of how baseless, ignorant, and smearing they are, there yours and there is nothing anyone will ever do or say to change that. No one cares about you here Fuzzy. No one cares about me either, because it's not about us. There is a baby somewhere, and people know where this child is right now. And let's not forget, this child is dead. I think the focus here should be on getting those remains in proper hands, then taking care of business with the parties involved, after all the facts have been divulged. However, there is little chance after three years that all of the information will come out. After three years, they will be lucky if they find the body, and double lucky if they can prove it was alive at birth. I hope you can relax a bit and try seeing past your own nose. The pieces are going to fall where they may, and some people may be charged in the end. Then again, this young man may be the only one that gets punishment out of this whole situation. His reputation is already trashed, like it or not. His face will be known in this area for years to come, and it will be known for something hideous; Even though their are facts yet to surface. I was meerly asking if any new facts had come to light, or if it was just more of the same fuzzy bull. Take it how you want it, but don't try to climb on some high horse of holiness and snear at the rest of us who actually want to know what's going on in our backyards. Personally, I really don't want my kids playing in an area that may have human remains scattered about it. Call me crazy, but that's just me. Try to sit back and relax a moment, but no doubt you will have to post and think you have to defend yourself once again. And again, you'll try to make it about you or your, "pinko liberal intellectual experts". Maybe you are self delusioned and believe that you are one of these, "pinko liberal intellectual experts". As for me, I really don't care. I just want this baby found.
July 2, 2009
7:20 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy,
You know i went home from my job las night and thought about what you wrote and i read over all the comments that you wrote on here and i have finally came to a agreement you a bible thumper arnt you because there is no other thing to explain this because no right minded human being would belive its ok for one person to get punished and not the other and yes sir i do have a minor in psychology for the Univeristy of North Carolina so yes sir i do have some credibility on this subject
Heather_07
I do not know you at all but i will tell you this your so called "friend" or "victim" layed on her back and decided to sleep with a older man sorry to burst your bubble but she had a choice to open her legs and thats what she did and your right the whole baby thing nobody knows the whole story on it so we really cant talk about but for what we do know is that she wanted to grow up a lil to fast and didnt think about the consquences of her actions and then she got pregnant and Ma'am i have a question for you if you are such a great friend of her's where were you when she was doing the stuff she was doing because if you were such a great friend you would of never allowed these such things to happen but i guess you are not such good friends with her after all huh.
To This So Called "Victims Mother"
You have many problems letting your own daughter sleep with an older man and let all the blame fall on him but i guess its ok as long as your the cool mom. Grow up and get a life act like a mother and not a friend cause i know when i messed up my mother Whooped my *** but i guess you didnt want to ruin your friendship with your daughter. Im glad you wernt my parent because God knows where i would of been thats right i would of been in the same situation as your daughter waiting for the jail door's to swing behind me closed.
And To You "Victim"
You are a sick human being to let someone take the fall for something you played a part in. If you honestly belive that you can sleep at night knowing that you played a part in everything to i guess thats on you but it is not right for him to sit in jail while you can be partying like nothing happen but i guess you learn from the best huh aka your mother. Like i said i know none of you at all but i called you all out and i hope you get mad at this post so finally we can hear your side of the story instead of you being in hiding so grow up your an adult now take some responsibilty for what you have done.
And for the rest of you all that dont agree you are as dumb as the mother of this kid and thats right i know she is 18 but she is still a kid until she can grow up and take responsibilty she will be a kid at 50
July 2, 2009
8:15 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy-
Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."
Prov 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."
Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."
Prov 22:15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."
The first one is almost chilling in its prophecy. Apparently the Bible indicates parents need to discipline their children.
July 2, 2009
9:35 a.m.Report inappropriate content
So, sounds like the persons posting the previous posts are in favor of folks (even those who don't have evidence proven in count against them) getting a beating around here! And, now everyone even knows what bible passages to look for to justify it!
It also sounds like some persons have some really personal grudges that go back a long way.
Be careful, though. What you put here, even though "(Anonymous)" follows your pen name, certain people can find out who you are and follow you around for a long time with their lawyer. Nasty stuff (even though some think it is absolutely true) that's written about persons online can, indeed, come back to haunt the writers in months or years to come.
You might better be prepared for that.
It is called libel and slander.
July 2, 2009
9:53 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy
I dont belive that it totally true because it would only be slander or libel if you use there direct name into which you post and since i do not know who the people are we are free and clean trust me i know lawyers and i would be glad to give you there phone numbers
July 2, 2009
10:07 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Check out all these posts! There are insinuations -- "the girl's mother," etc. Eventually, once the names come out, the lawyers will come out, too.
July 2, 2009
10:12 a.m.Report inappropriate content
I believe that all of you are missing the point. Cory admitted to having sex with the girl, and he will be punished for that. What is at the heart of the matter is that there was a child involved. I don't care who you are or what age you are there is never an excuse for burying a child to cover up its birth. They may have not murdered this poor child, but can you honestly say, if there was a child buried that anyone in this situation was in the right? I don't think so and anyone that does think it is right needs help.
She covered up the pregnancy and she covered up the birth. She knew she gave birth. And if she did give birth and then buried the child then she needs to stand up and face the music.
No one is saying that Cory having sex with a minor was right, no one is defending those actions. But there are 20 counts of CSC against Cory so it wasn't a one time thing. She knew right from wrong and could have come forward. I don't care about all the psycho babble about sexual abuse, you still have a choice, I have been there.
Even if she was being manipulated through the whole "relationship" she had 9 months of pregnancy to make the right choice, and 3 years after the birth to come forward as well.
I don't believe anyone that says she is innocent in all of this. I hope the reason we haven't heard anything about her yet is because they are building a case against her and her mother during all of this.
July 2, 2009
10:14 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy
You are correct if someone was to say well i belive rebecca was a incorrect mother blah blah blah yes then they would have a case but until the name is out in public and people start using her name then nobody can do nothing HAHAHAHAHAH
July 2, 2009
10:36 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Cory is out on personal recognizance as of yesterday.
July 2, 2009
11:51 a.m.Report inappropriate content
I doubt if there is much we can say about anything more than what has been published in the newspapers. Speculation about a baby is simply speculation. Talking about family members who are or might be investigated is still just speculation. And using speculation the way it has been thrown around on this bulletin board hasn't just been informative. Rather, it has been mean and insensitive. And there is no HAHAHA about it.
July 2, 2009
12:31 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy- Don't quote the Bible when it suits your arguement and then knock it when you disagree with its teachings.
Also, there is no speculation about a baby, the news article above clearly states that there was one. Cory gave his statement to authorities admitting he was there during its birth and described it in detail. Regardless of what his lawyer is now stating, the statments he made to authorities were still admitted as evidence in his prepreliminary.
Dennis007, do you know any of the stipulations of his release?
July 2, 2009
1:25 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I can't belive what iam reading. That girl was pregant during softball season. Who let her play? Mom? Dr? School? Coach? Every school OG played there, she was still playing soft ball with her nice little baby bump. What a nice roll model she was for other players. Now, we have a dead baby and the only person that is taking any heat is Cory, I hope that the "victim" also goes to jail.
July 2, 2009
2:07 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Ok, Fuzzy, you want to know what I am doing to make "Gagetown" a better place? Well, for one, I didn't raise my kids to kill a baby at birth, dispose of the body, and then hide it for 3 years, so I think that puts me head and shoulders above what the people you are defending have done. Decent people live law-abiding lives, and that as a whole makes this community a better place.
As to your statement that I want "chase all of the liberals out of town", well that is just idiotic. Contrary to what you would have people believe, I don't know many true liberals that think the way you do. Most of the people I know - liberal or conservative- have a brain in their head and know what is right and what is wrong, and they act accordingly. We don't try to defend felony activities such as murder, child abuse, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, illegal disposal of human remains, etc. So, you can throw up your smoke screens all day long trying to draw attention away from what this "victim/perpetrator" and her family did to this child, but nobody on here - other than "friends" and "advocates" for that family - agrees with anything you say.
That shows me that the vast majority of Tuscola County residents are on the side of the law and what is right, not on the side of the victim mentality and psycho-babble mumbo jumbo you are pushing.
It's called accountability and responsibility, knucklehead. Read up on it.
July 2, 2009
2:48 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Now spanking kids is a problem? According to Fuzzy, that is child abuse? Oh waaaahhhhh! Who has "Mommy Issues" here?
You aren't the only one with a Ph.D. in the family, buddy, so you certainly don't have the market cornered on intelligence in Tuscola County. It would appear that you spent a boatload of money on your childrens' educations and neglected your own.
Alleged sexual abuse is no excuse for what was done here. Also, the law considers these CSC cases based on the circumstances because the statute is so broad. Cory Fritz was charged with 3rd degree CSC - and in this case it appears that it is being treated as an age-based offense. Which means that in the eyes of the law, Cory had consensual sex with a person that was not of age to give consent. It is the CSC equivalent of entering into a legal agreement with a minor - you can't do it because the minor isn't of age. If it was a CSC 1st degree - meaning penetration with force or coersion - you could use this argument. However, given that therte are 20 COUNTS OF CSC 3rd DEGREE against Cory, that clearly shows that this girl was not forced or coerced, but willingly participated multiple times. She just willingly engaged in an illegal activity, but because she was the minor, she isn't being charged. This girl was NOT a victim of sexual abuse, and for you to insinuate such is a slap in the face to victims that have actually endured rape and true sexual abuse.
Now, as to the murder and disposal of the child: according to Mark Reene's quote to the Associated Press, it is "a separate but related matter". That means that the case is being investigated. He has already stated that he has a statement admitting there was a child born and that the child was buried in the Gagetown area. That is enough evidence of a crime. The prosecutor went public with this information, most likely to start a dialog such as this in order to ferret out more people with information regarding the situation. It is a well known legal tactic. People talk, prosecutors get convictions. Funny how that works...
You are posting on this board for 1 of 2 reasons. Either you (1) are trying your best to promote your own agenda and importance, or (2) most likely you are doing anything you can to lay the groundwork for a viable defense of "sexual abuse" for this girl and her parents and anyone else that was involved in this situation. Given your penchant for passionately defending this family, one would easily surmise that you are closely related to the case. Add to that the numerous threats that you have made to people who are posting their opinions on information that was printed in a newspaper - on that newspaper's PUBLIC WEBSITE - it is clear that you are closely related and have a stake in this case.
July 2, 2009
2:49 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Also, Fuzzy, I would like to point out that a parent that would allow their 14 year-old daughter to carry on an open relationship with a 22 year-old man clearly harkens back to the liberal hippie commune era. That ideology didn't go mainstream and didn't last long. The only thing that that failed ideology succeeded in doing was creating a branch of society lacking in ethics and morals. This family is clearly an example of that failed social experiment.
July 2, 2009
3:58 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Thunbres and Joe T. Thank You for defending me. As to Fuzzy, Name calling, REALLY; you slandered me, and many others. I feel sorry for you in the fact that you have used Gods word to defend these people but haven't stopped to see the fact that you and your actions have given people a bad example of what God wants a christian to look like. Lead by example...remember?? Maybe you should wait till all the facts are out before you bash everyones views.
July 2, 2009
4:48 p.m.Report inappropriate content
this is all just sick and wrong...
July 2, 2009
6:09 p.m.Report inappropriate content
If there was actually a baby, there is no way you can defend either Fritz or the "Victim". The fact that they just threw their baby away makes them both terrible human beings that deserve to sit in prison for the rest of their lives.
July 2, 2009
7:29 p.m.Report inappropriate content
seriously people. what is going on here?? i never thought i would sit on my computer for hours, and read a million comments like this. i understand what everyone has to say, and i agree with a lot of statements you all have said. but honestly there is NO innocent person in this case. aside from that baby, if there is one.
"victim"- why is her name not being made mention?? we all know who she is. why has it taken her 3 years to speak up about this relationship and/or baby?? she also needs to be punished by law for what she has done to that baby. cory is NOT the only person responsible for that child. lets all keep that in mind. and...i just love how her myspace has many pictures of her drinking at her home, and drinking with her mother and friends at her home?? wtf. if i was going through something like this, those would be taken off immediatley. just goes to show that indeed she isnt a victim at all.
victim's mother- what the hell is wrong with that woman?? allowing their daughter to party at age 14, allowing her 14 year old daughter to have sex with a 22 year old??? something is obviously wrong with her. and she needs the help. and if she knew about this baby, then she as well should be punished.
Cory- honestly cory?? what were you even thinking?? how is a 14 year old girl even attractive to you?? you had to have known that this wasnt right. you should have used your common sense. but...the law is the law, and for the CSC you should be punished for. But...i say until that baby is found, until DNA proves its yours, then you shouldnt be charged for that. Its not fair that you alone are being charged for that baby when clearly you werent the only one involved. It just goes to show how politics really work. You deserve to be punished, but only for those things that can be proven.
People who knew about this- I cant believe people from that town knew about it and didnt say a word. You obviously dont have a brain either. You can come on here and say its not right its not right, Cory this Cory that, but where were you?? Thats what I thought!
I'm sorry. Its just getting a little ridiculous people. Look at the entirety of the story. Yes, Cory should be punished, nobody is trying to say he was right. But, that girl and her mother need to be punished for that baby as well. That is the law.
July 2, 2009
9:07 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I remember as a *teenager* the saying was ~15 will get you 20~ Wonder what 14 gets Cory? Does the *victim* have a father? I bet not-My Dad would have had his shotgun loaded and ready to go-if an adult came courting me at 14. Gagetown is a nice little town-but we all get our 15 minutes of fame some how-Good or bad. As we sit and point our fingers--lets think about the school-Did a teacher not notice or hear that the *victim* was going to have a baby-Did you know being a public employee you MUST report any abuse or if you think that there is abuse? As for the Mother-You are not a Mother-You are an child yourself-May God protect you! The poor baby-There are many of us who would love to have a baby-or would have helped in anyway we could have-Someone in the above postings said that the town sat around and watched this happen--NOT TRUE-If someone would have called the police or Protective Services--Its always the same-***Mind your own Business** All I can say is that:: Cory *Victim* & Mom should be glad I will NOT be sitting on the JURY-- Enough Said???
July 2, 2009
9:07 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Sure became awfully quiet since they asked for a little help. Hmmmm
July 2, 2009
10:03 p.m.Report inappropriate content
This was turned in by a couple people, and the stupid cops around here didn't listen. But now since there's some publicity they will. She had a dad that didn't really seem to care about her at all until Cory came around, then forgot about her again after. Wonder how daddy feels now that his grandbaby is laying dead in a field.
July 2, 2009
10:49 p.m.Report inappropriate content
hijinks,,
the victim does have a father,, he didn't approve to any of this, but he was not in gagetown when all of this happened.
But all in all people come on, do we not have anything better to do that sit on the computer and 'gossip' about stupid rumors that we've heard. This blogging is only creating more drama among everyone and it should really stop. You all are acting like your in high school again and it's rediculous. Let the news say what they have to say and keep your comments to yourself.
I know that most of you all do not have a perfect life, including myself, so we have no room to judge anyone who is apart of this case. Look at your own past,, look how you've made foolish mistakes as well. Don't judge people, God doesn't even judge, why do we feel like we can?
Just give it a rest people thats all I have to say!
July 2, 2009
11:06 p.m.Report inappropriate content
svsustudent,
The people on this board may have made mistakes in their lives, but I highly doubt any of us murdered our own child at birth, assisted in the disposal of the body, and then hid it for 3 years.
Stay in school and learn a little more about life before you get up on your soapbox and start criticizing people that have the sense enough to recognize that a crime was committed and demand that all those involved pay for their crimes.
Those of us that are following this case are very interested in the outcome. Decent, law-abiding citizens want to see that justice is done for this child.
Think about the true victim in this case - the dead baby - before you post again defending the actions of this girl, her parents, and anyone else involved in the coverup.
July 3, 2009
2:19 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Kristina & Heather - and everyone else that has attempted to defend the "victim" here - YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SICK! I wouldnt put it past either of you two girls to have had something to do with this whole ordeal. And Kristina - I would have thought of you to be a better person than that, but not you Heather, you would do something as grotesque as this situation. Anyone that is defending these clients are just as much to blame. You are all disgusting and should be ashamed of yourselves. This situation is absurd and ridiculous, and I just hope that you people find it in your hearts, or at least use some common sense, and come forth with what you know. Who gives a crap about the pathetic "victim," or Cory even, or especially the pitiful excuse of a mother that allowed this to happen, but think about the baby. A BABY! An innocent human being that did not choose to be brought into this world in these circumstances, and then allegedly paid the ultimate price. Think about that when you are trying to justify the actions of these idiots. All involved should be prosecuted...period. Those of you that think this is ok by defending them - you have blood on your hands as well, and come judgement day you will pay for the sins you are committing...you make me sick.
July 3, 2009
3:37 a.m.Report inappropriate content
First of all, I'm not going to give my opinion, because I know none of you really care what I have to say.
PFCMarine, please...PLEASE use a period once in a while. I had to go out and buy a $4 bottle of Tylenol. I'll be expecting a check in the mail.
As for the people defending the victim, more power to you. I'm not saying I agree with everything, because I don't. But I am not going to throw you to the sharks for sticking up for your friends. JoeT, PFCMarine, nunya, and anyone else who is bashing these girls...what if this was happening to one of your friends? How about daughter? Granddaughter? I'm sure you would have a different outlook on things. It's called a friendship. I'm sure if a baby is found and everything if proved, then their tune will change. They're not defending this girl's actions, they're defending her.
As for og32. Shut up. As soon as you tell someone that "no one even likes you", you lose ALL credibility. Atleast grow a pair and let Kristina know who you are. I'm sure she would meet you in the parking lot.
youpayyouplay....really? Your first post is going to rip the character of a friend of the victim? That's a pretty big accusation there...You pretty much called Heather a babykiller. You're gona need some hardcore evidence to back that up. They're not justifying the actions of these people. No one has said "SHE KILLED HER BABY BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO! LEAVE HER ALONE!" And if you really think they are inolved, turn 'em in. Hey, maybe you will get a reward!
I know I am going to get ripped on and become just as big of a part of this whole charade as all of you, but that's ok. It will give me something to do at 3:30 in the morning.
July 3, 2009
8:50 a.m.Report inappropriate content
~svsustudent~
I know that most of you all do not have a perfect life, including myself, so we have no room to judge anyone who is apart of this case. Look at your own past,, look how you've made foolish mistakes as well. Don't judge people, God doesn't even judge, why do we feel like we can?
As I sit here I am looking back over the 50 years of my life-You are right I have made mistakes-I never broke a law-I had 2 children-Raising a boy & a girl is a FULL time job!! I always Worked-I put them through school and college-I was there when my grandkids were born-I was there when my Granddaughter almost died-This is what life deals us-But I never mistreated anyone-I never got rid of a child-Yes I do have a right to sit here and Shake my head in pitty-You can call it judging-You call hiding a baby or whatever happened to that baby a FOOLISH mistake? Are you serious? What they did was just *WRONG*- You sound like a younger person-Is this what you would have done? I do not think so-
July 3, 2009
9:58 a.m.Report inappropriate content
yadayada- Thank you for your support of Heather and her right to support her friends, not their actions.
Youplay- How dare you make the allegations you have about a person you don't even know??? You obviously do not know Heather, yet make the comments you have. If you knew her at all, you would know she was in a very similar situaion, yet made very different choices. Her child is alive and well, living a better life than many children. She is not defending any actions, just asking that no one judges anyone involved until all the information is made public. Only God can judge. You do not have to agree with the events that may or may not have taken place. For all we know, she doesn't agree with them either. You have no right to accuse of her of being involved or even have knowledge of the events at that time. Stick with the facts or keep your mouth shut!
July 3, 2009
10:35 a.m.Report inappropriate content
this girl.. is now a women, who is not 15 now.. so why are they protecting her.. she is an adult an should be charged and have her picture and name spread all over.. had this all come out back then.. sure protect her.. but it has come out now.. and she is an adult and needs to be treated as such.
July 3, 2009
11:35 a.m.Report inappropriate content
redrose- Youre right. The way the info has been provided to us through the news, it looks like CF is the one they really want. Im GUESSING, as what usually happens in a case like this, the mother and girl involved are talking with the authorities and making deals, playing stupid. If and when this ever goes to trial, then the names will come out. I would think CF will see to that. Why be the only one having his life ruined? This is a small area, but people here dont ever forget. This will haunt everyone involved for ever. As it should.
July 3, 2009
12:04 p.m.Report inappropriate content
First of all think about this realistically.
Since he admits to knocking her up he in my book is ultimately responsible for this whole mess. If she got rid of her baby she deserves to pay dearly, but remember this. None of it would have happened if he would have kept his zipper zipped...
July 3, 2009
12:08 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Ok, for whoever said anything about Heather, they are just complete idiots, obviously. Youpayyouplay, you're probably one of the biggest idiots that ever lived. If you knew ANYTHING about Heather you would know she would NEVER do anything like this. You would know that she WAS pregnant and went threw A LOT of crap for being pregnant in highschool and still did everything right for that baby! That baby is not dead in a field, that baby is living an amazing life with an amazing family! So you probably should never post on here again until you can atleast get your fricken facts straight!
This isn't about any of you, we shouldn't be arguing with each other and hating each other. This is about the "victim" and about Cory, and about a baby who's life was taken! I know I even said some stupid things I shouldn't have, but I was just being dumb at the time. Let's try to focus on the real problem here instead of trying to bash on everyone else.
July 3, 2009
12:19 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I am completely flabbergasted at the stupidity of the young people that are posting on this board! Who taught you that defending the actions of a so-called friend is the right thing to do - even when that "friend" has committed such a crime?? Where were your parents? Wjy weren't you taught the difference between right and wrong??
There is no excuse for what this girl and her family did. There is no way to "defend her" because what she did was indefensible.
My question is, since all of you are so tight and no one can seem to find the body of this baby - even though the so-called "victim" is the one that GAVE THE LOCATION TO THE AUTHORITIES - what happened to it? Why don't you all do the right thing for once in your pitiful little lives, call the Prosecutor and tell them what you know.
This infant deserves a Christian burial and has the right to be mourned by people that are truly saddened by its' death. It's just too bad that the child's parents and grandparents won't be part of that group.
July 3, 2009
1:02 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Be careful! to anyone who should suggest that we wait until we get all the facts before we make any judgments about our fellow human beings! Certain persons who sit on this bulletin board might call you "immoral," or a "liberal," or a "bad Christian," or "stupid," or a part of an evil conspiracy (now that's a funny word!) to defend folks who we all "know" have done some horrible things (and we have the gossip to back it up!).
If you will look over my posts, you will note that what I have said about child sexual abuse is very true. Any guy of legal age is in a power position when it comes to sex with a 14 year old girl. It doesn't matter whether or not she consented. The guy has the power and the girl (for a variety of reasons) is the victim. That's why it is against the law and that is why a guy of legal age has to be extremely careful about knowing how old a girl is and have the guts to say "no," even if she wants it.
Secondly, I have made it very clear that it is wrong for us to make statements about people in our community based on gossip. How can anyone argue with that?
Third, I have never knowingly met any of the persons who are involved in this case, despite the rash comments in previous posts to the contrary. I am only disgusted by the judgmental and clearly nasty statements that have been posted here about persons who may be totally innocent. We don't know! The investigation isn't finished. The court case hasn't even started! (continued in next post)
July 3, 2009
1:03 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fourth, I have suggested that the problem of child sex abuse, and sex abuse, are things that the community needs to deal with in the schools, churches, youth groups, and community meetings. Sex education is crucial for our youth. And as a society we need to do more to teach our daughters that they are not sex objects and our sons that they are not studs.
Fifth, I have written about the problem of "denial" when something like this gets started in a family and in a community. If what I am hearing is true, quite a few persons knew what was going on before and after it happened. Therefore, the whole community must take some responsibility. By that I mean we need to help those who have been hurt by this kind of activity, rather than simply self-righteously condemn those we think are to blame. Those who call this "psycho babble" are defending their position out of basic ignorance and just looking for some way to vent their anger about something they really don't understand.
Sixth, we need to learn how to forgive one another, in spite of all the things we think we know about each other. When it is all said and done, people come home to live. Besides, though the idea of a murdered child is devastating, we don't even know if there was a murder! That is only an allegation. Even then, there are other possibilities that a person with an open mind can think of. We don't know all the mitigating facts and details. Everything else is gossip.
Finally, this is too small a community for people to be beating up on each other. Frustration and anger sidesteps the real issue of how we can work together to keep these things from happening in the future.
I've read arguments, here like "Well, she should have known better! I knew what I was doing when I had sex at the age of 14!" That's the kind of stuff Jay Leno uses to get people to laugh. But such arguments, denial, appeals to ignorance, are really only a part of the larger problem we have.
July 3, 2009
2:02 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy, you talk about appeals of ignorance?! That is a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black!
You are an ignorant fool to think that there could ever be an excuse for what this girl and her family did. A baby is dead. And there was a baby, Fuzzy - both the girl and Cory admit that there was. So keep trying to throw up a smoke screen, but it's not working.
This community doesn't need a hypocrite spewing psycho-babble BS to us and trying to convince us that WE did something wrong! We aren't the ones that killed a baby, buried it, and then covered it up for 3 years. And we aren't one of the many idiots on this board that are supporting those actions - like you are.
So keep trying to build a defense for this girl and her family - but it isn't working. The Prosecutor and the police are still looking, and I can guarantee you that Reene isn't going to let this go - not when he has statements on record. He can still prosecute without a body - it will just be more difficult. And knowing Reene's stance against child abuse and child predators, I can guarantee you that this will be the last Independence Day that these people will enjoy as free individuals for years to come.
July 3, 2009
2:12 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Sounds like you really have an axe to grind, Joe.
July 3, 2009
2:39 p.m.Report inappropriate content
“He was called to (the victim’s) home and shown what he believed to be a baby and he called 9-1-1,” said Rieman, adding that it was likely the after-birth that Fritz had witnessed. “(The victim) wanted to get rid of it and Cory got out of there.”
Wonder when the tape of the 9-1-1 call will be released?
How can a human mistake after-birth for a BABY?
Did this couple who made the child EVER hear of Morals and Values?-Do NOT even question mine-Because I have them and use them PROUDLY!! So do Many People of Gagetown-It is called small *HOME* town PRIDE! I saw more State Police Cars in Town than I have ever seen at the Caro State Police Post-Did they bring the State Police from Bridgeport also?
July 3, 2009
3:04 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I don't have an axe to grind, Fuzzy. And I don't have my head stuffed up the butt of a murderer, either. Right is right, and this shouldn't have to be explained to anyone past grade school.
Also, as to the 9-1-1 tapes, if I'm not mistaken, they only keep those on record for 2 years in Tuscola County. So, if the call was made - which is extremely doubtful - then there isn't any record of it anymore. Still, the likelyhood of such a story being true is virtually nil. If a 9-1-1 call came through, dispatch would have had to send an officer out to do a wellness check, and there would be an incident report or a notation in an officers log. This didn't happen, or there would have been a record of it admitted into evidence at the hearing. It was just a weak excuse that Cory Fritz made up to try and hide the true extent of what he and this girl did.
July 3, 2009
3:09 p.m.Report inappropriate content
To youplay...how dare you accuse my daughter of being capable of something as "grotesque as this situation". My daughter made a very hard decision to give her child up for adoption.She chose a family who has become our family and who we love very much. We see this child often and she is happy, healthy, and well cared for. She had other options but chose to keep this child alive because she does not believe in abortion. She loves this child more than you'll ever know. Do NOT judge my daughter for making a very mature decision. She did not hide her pregnancy.She finished her senior year and went on to college. Was hard to go to class everyday? yes. but she had 3 people (friends) that supported her. She has a family who loves her. No thanks to the staff at OG. She received no support from them. Instead of hiding behind your user name, let us know who you are.I guarentee you have no idea what she went through. And to those of you who defended my daughter, THANK YOU!!!! You are the meaning of her true friends. youplay.. i pray you never have to go through the hell of a decision like my daughter had to make. but i'll tell you this, if you ever have to I'll be the first to pray for God to show you the right path to take.
July 3, 2009
3:45 p.m.Report inappropriate content
The law states that ANYONE that knew/knows what happend from the relationship to the baby can be held resposible for not reporting it. That is why I have said the trickle down effect can be HUGE.
The lawyer said what he did about the "after birth" to try and cover CF's butt. If she was showing a "baby bump", like I have read on here, I would think the baby/fetus would be pretty apparent. Unless he is more mentally challenged than he already appears.
July 3, 2009
3:55 p.m.Report inappropriate content
HeathersMom, you are getting all high and mighty explaining a personal situation that nobody on this board even cares about.
By the way, if you are so moral and upright - and your daughter makes such great decisions - then why are you people defending a girl that admits that she gave birth to a baby, that the baby is dead, and that they buried it in the woods in Gagetown? It isn't a wonder that your daughter found herself in the situation to have to make such a heartwrenching decision, if these are the type of people that she associates with. Obviously the child is much better off when you consider what your daughter's "friend" chose to do with her child.
July 3, 2009
4:09 p.m.Report inappropriate content
wow sounds like JOET knows alot about what is going on,you sure have you facts straight. It is amazing how many people on here are sticking up for this girl, she had a huge part in this an deserves to be punished as well. I just cant wait to hear more of what she has to say.
July 3, 2009
4:33 p.m.Report inappropriate content
This is getting so rediculcous. I know a lot of this girls friends and even know the victim. I know she did not tell any of her friends what happened, or they would have came forward already. You can't say that they know what happened, because they dont!! And to say that "you can see how heather got into this situation," If I could swear on this, oh my goooosh! I can't even believe. You obviously know NOTHING about what's going on!! The "victim" wasn't one to sleep around, yes she had relations with Cory but that was ONE guy, when I first started posting on here I was so against the "victim" and I still believe that what she did was WRONG! but you people are turning this into something so stupid. No wonder people think everyone in Huron county is a bunch of stupid rednecks! You all stick your nose in places it doesn't belong! NONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED! NO ONE EXCEPT CORY AND THE "VICTIM" DO, SO SHUT YOU BIG DUMB STUPID MOUTHS! Get a life! Seriously. You don't know the "victim" or her friends. You don't, JOET, so how can you say anything? You can't. You just can't. You are probably one of the biggest morons I've ever encountered in my life, and that takes a lot coming from Huron County, so congrats on that. Don't any of you have anything better to do then sit here and rip on a young girl and everyone else who disagrees with you? People who defend the "victim" are being friends. Friends don't turn their backs when you need them most! You don't have to agree with their actions to still be their friends. You obvioulsy have no friends if this is how you feel, and I feel really sorry for you!
July 3, 2009
5:20 p.m.Report inappropriate content
og32, friends don't let friends do stupid things that will ruin their lives, or cause the death of another. True friends don't encourage others to commit crimes or assist in covering it up after the fact. True friends help a person make the right decision and stand up and take responsibility for their actions. You have a lot to learn about being a good friend.
Don't attempt to preach to me about anything, little girl. I have observed and experienced far more in my life, my work, and my travels than you ever will, of that I am sure.
You are right, I don't associate with this "victim/perpetrator" or her friends. I would never align myself with people like this. I only know the statements that she has made to the Prosecutor and the police about her involvement in the death of her child and the disposal of the body because these were released to the public, I only know what her "friends" and "advocates" have written on here. I can only observe the defensive attitude displayed here by her "friends" and "confidantes". I can only draw on logic and observation, dissecting the evidence and statements that have been released to the public, and analyzing the behavior of those involved and those with knowledge afer-the-fact.
I can only pray that this Prosecutor can draw on his wisdom and years of experience to build a case and bring these people to justice for what they have done.
As for the "dumbest person in Huron County" comment, I highly doubt that since you live there.
July 3, 2009
7:04 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Woooooo! JoeT does sound like a high school kid, now, with that last comeback.
July 3, 2009
7:13 p.m.Report inappropriate content
JOET, Little girl? huh? You don't know me, I could be 80 years old, a doctor and traveled the world 14 times over for all you know, retard. And yah, you do sound like you're about 12, the more I read what you write the more I just have to laugh. I personally am not friends with the victim, but know of her and my child went to school with her. But I know that if I had a friend in this situation I would be doing the same thing. And just because you're friends with someone it doesn't mean that you know about anything of what was going on. I know that the people that she was really, really good friends with with in her class didn't know about any of this, and were shocked when this all came out. Does this mean what she did was ok? Heck no! She deserves to go to jail if she took an innocent life, but the point is.. this isn't about her friends and their morals and beliefs, this is about HER AND CORY AND A BABY! If you're going to argue atleast do it to something relevent, not just to hear yourself talk.
July 3, 2009
11:01 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Just a thought OG32....her friends made it pretty clear about the baby bump. There is no baby though. They might not know the fate of the baby, but they knew everything else. I understand not wanting to "rat" out a friend. But I would like to think if a friend was preggers and never produced a baby, I might get a little suspicious. And after evrything that has been brought to light since this story came out, I would absolutely tell the prosecuter what I know, no matter how little it may seem. I think I would sleep better
July 3, 2009
11:24 p.m.Report inappropriate content
OG32 I by no way am here to judge, just have a few questions for you because you are really confusing to me. and maybe its just me that is mixed up here with some things you are posting. on June 29th at 9:51 pm you were saying very very harsh things about her and now you are preaching to everyone else with their opinions whats up with that? but really bothers me as how you called the cops stupid on your July 2nd post at 10:03 pm and how you just called JoeT retard do you not realize that is quite an insult to those that are retarded and to the the parents that have had a retarded child so maybe you should be more careful withl you opinions too. I am not here to side with either the victim or CF but you really need to watch how you slam others with the words you choose just like you are telling everyone else to do. Not picking on you at all but I feel you really need to wake up and listen to yourself. I think we need to put this the hands of our lord and the law. and hope that what needs to be done is done with who ever did what.
July 3, 2009
11:34 p.m.Report inappropriate content
So sorry, og32, you were acting like an immature child, your arguments are weak and not well thought out and your wishy-washy middle of the road comments didn't make much of an impact, so it was only natural that I would mistake you for one of the teenagers that are posting on this board in defense of this girl.
And, if you expect any reasonably smart person to believe that this girl's closest friends didn't know what was going on, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. Interested?
July 4, 2009
12:23 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I also feel the same way. My heart goes out to Cory and his family. I've known Cory for many years and could never imagine him doing something so terrible to child. Especially his own. That is just not Cory.
July 5, 2009
12:09 a.m.Report inappropriate content
JoeT...
Come on dude, man to man. Do you REALLY know everything that happens with your best friend?
And let's all stop complaining about Heather and Kristina and everyone else. If all we want to do is rip on people, let's all get together (I enjoy Taco Bell), exchange cell phones numbers, and have a great spirited conversation!
And once again, they're not defending the victim's actions. Dude, you're batter than this.
July 5, 2009
6:28 p.m.Report inappropriate content
After following this board for the past few days, I have come to the conclusion that Joe T. is about the only one on here that can debate this topic intelligently. Not only does he not get wrapped up in emotion but obviously thinks about what he is going to say before just spewing off at the keyboard. And from what I gather has a little bit of knowledge of the procedure's in law enforcement. Rock on Joe, T.....Rock on.
July 5, 2009
11:20 p.m.Report inappropriate content
This is all getting way out of hand. You people are not even commenting on the situation anymore. You are all fighting with eachother and its completely ridiculous!!
July 5, 2009
11:47 p.m.Report inappropriate content
for those of you who say she was to young she knew what was going on and so did the ones who lived with her yes it should of been stopped but it was not. They say things happen for a reason and no one knows why but time will tell and I think a lot of people will be shocked. I hope and pray that the babies remains are found so that he or she can be buried properly and all that was involved are punished which I think that is already going on in one way or another. If the baby was still born they should of called 911 but did not and now they will pay for this mistake, which they probably have been paying for this for several years now. For those of you who think O.G. staff are such monsters you's must of forgotten who was there for heathers situation they are not all bad and I think her mom and her know this and if not, they should look a little bit deeper and remember who was there for her. Heather would of never done such a thing she had good support from all who loved her, so shame on youplay for even thinking such a thing ya she was young but she did the right thing.
July 6, 2009
7:36 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Must be an election year. No anwsers to easy questions? this is all a bunch of crap. Throw them all in jail and one of them will tell the TRUTH.
July 6, 2009
9:42 a.m.Report inappropriate content
yadayaDUH....I am not bashing anyone, I am simply stating the facts. And as far as them defending their friend more power to them, I would defend mine as well until this turned into a crime and the death of an innocent baby. That's where the defense would end with me. I don't care what happens to Cory or to "her", but come on, something needs to be done. Anyone that has children should understand that they are born so innocent and so dependent on their parents or family, they have no choice in what happens to them. I don't understand how people can harm such a wonderful blessing as a child. It just makes me sick! As I have said before, my 14 year old daughter knows darn well what happens when you have sex, and so did "she" and her mother. What kind of people would allow that to happen?
The truth will come out, they will find out where the baby is and justice will be served. The only thing that I hope and pray for is that ALL involved get what they deserve.
As far as "her" father, anyone that knows him knows the situation and knows what the system did for him....nothing. Hopefully he can understand where these blogs are coming from and understand that all people want is justice served for his grandchild.
July 6, 2009
10:34 a.m.Report inappropriate content
you are right nunya for those of us who know the fathers situation know that the system did nothing for him so people don't slam the victims father.
July 6, 2009
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Not all OG staff is bad, but some of them are very bad people. My son told me how some of the staff treated Heather and is was very bad, but how other people were very, very nice to her. And I've seen first hand how bad some of the people can be. I was at the North Huron volleyball game when the "coach" and the "superintendent" lost league for them poor girls. And how the football "coach" called my son names. But this, isn't the point. The point is, some people at the school knew about this relationship and still let Cory show up at practices and help out. It was my understanding that he was an assistant coach, but I could be wrong. I also know of a parent of a softball player called the cops on Cory, and the cops just said that there was nothing they could do about it. So that's TWO people who tried to stop this and the cops did nothing. Pretty shady. I'm not saying that all the cops around here are useless or anything but I think this should have been handled different when they had the chance!
July 6, 2009
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July 6, 2009
2:17 p.m.Report inappropriate content
...and other thing HeathersMom - I have been in a situation like Heathers' - the difference being, I had the child and kept it because I waited til I was in a stable enough situation to be able to give that child the quality of life it deserves. Think about NOT having your daughter...imagine a baby not being given the chance to live its life out. Imagine a human being having their life taken by its own mother our of selfishness. That is the kind of girl your daughter is defending. The kind of girl that thinks its ok to dispose of her own child at her own convenience. The kind of girl, that instead of being a mature adult, is out partying, drinking, and having a good 'ol time while CF sits and waits to be prosecuted for something that she could have prevented just as well, and that she didnt seem to disagree with at the time or for the last 3 years. That is the kind of girl YOUR daughter is defending - you must be proud.
July 6, 2009
2:34 p.m.Report inappropriate content
youplay...very well put! I don't know the whole Heather story, now I know more after reading your blog, but you bring up some very good points. I don't want to turn this conversation into a Heather thing...but Heather, what where you thinking??? Honestly!!!
Anyway...I totally agree with you youplay...kids these days get away with too much because they think they are the boss of their parents because mommy wants to be their friend rather than an adult. Therefore these teenagers are somewhat out of control and don't feel that they should be punished for their actions. Just remember, for every action there is a reaction. Keep that in mind boys and girls.
And to "her" you can party all you want now, because hopefully you will the next one on the news...and probably still holding your mommies hand, because she should be there too.
July 6, 2009
4:16 p.m.Report inappropriate content
When did this turn into having to have anything to do with me? Am I on trial here? Uhm, don't think so! You can all talk about me all you want, I'm pretty used to it by now, & if you were such great people, you'd atleast post your name instead of hide behind a username to have to talk trash! But really, keep talking about me! The more you talk about me, the less you talk about the "victim." And I'm ok with that.
But just to set things straight. You obviously know me, YOUPLAY... and I probably don't like you, but that's not the point. Yes, I had a relationship with someone who was 15, and I was 17.. that's not illegal! We were dating. So, I really don't see the problem with that? And that boy was NOT allowed to stay at my house. Or able to come anywhere close to my bed & if you knew me so well, you would know that.
Should I have waited to have a baby? Yes! But sometimes life doesn't work that way. Good for you that you waited until you could give a baby the life it deserves, that wasn't the case for me. But you know what? I knew I couldn't handle a baby, so I did the right thing, and gave that baby the life I could never give her! If that's wrong, then.. I guess I don't know what's right. Should I have had an abortion, taken the easy way out? You tell me because obviously you know more about my life and what I should have done then me or my family does!
And for me partying with the "victim?" Please.. show me these pictures.. I beg you to. Plaster them on here for the whole world to see.. Please do! BECUASE THEY DON'T EXIST! I saw the "victim" once in the past 2 weeks, and I want to where she works to talk to her. Not party! So whatever pictures you're seeing, I would love to see. Because I don't party, or drink. But you should know that, since you know me so well. Right?
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July 6, 2009
4:17 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Yes, I am defending the "victim" and I will not stop, no matter how many selfish, arogant people like you try to bash me on here. I don't care! She is my friend! My best friend! She is an amazing girl, and I will continue to stand behind her 110%. And if you don't like that, that's really too bad. You should maybe spend your time and energy doing something else instead of sitting here trying to run my name in the mud. Does it make you feel better to make someone else look bad? Do you feel that terrible about yourself? You can try to hurt me all you want, but I really don't care about what someone who won't even tell me there name has to say about me. A lot of people hate me, and talk about me, not just you. And I could care less about it all. Can't make everyone happy. But I'm happy. With my life and with my decisions that I make. And they are MY decisions. You are entitled to yours. So, let me make my own.
And to talk about my mom? Real cool! You're mom must be proud to have raised such a judgemental person! My mom is very proud of me, and she should be. Have I made mistakes? Yes. But I deal with them. My mom punishes me when I deserve to be punished. How could she punish me for getting pregnant? It was done, can't undo it. (Well you can, but I'm not that kind of person.) How dare you say these things? What did you want her to do, turn her back on me when I needed her most? That woulda been a GREAT mom! ...not. And now I'm here for the "victim" when she needs me most. I won't turn my back and make the wrong choice, just becuase of people like you, who mean nothing to me.
Now how about you go back to your perfect life and leave me and my mom alone! Thanks. =)
And now I'm done with this whole stupid sight. I'm not even going to look at it anymore. BECUASE THIS ISN'T ABOUT ME! You people seriously need to find something better to do with your time!
July 6, 2009
5:30 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Heather, I said in an earlier post that I did not know anything about your situation. I commend you for your decisions, at 15 you knew enough to make up your own mind and you did make the right decision and I am glad that you did. Unfortunelty, your friend didn't, that is where I have the problem. The problem isn't with you or what you did, but think about it, if you were mature enough to make that decision, why is everyone saying she was too young to know to do the right thing. That's all I'm saying.
July 6, 2009
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Nunya, I think the point that Heather was trying to make is kind of what you are saying. This is not about her. This is about Cory Fritz, this girl, and a baby. No where in any of these articles does Heather's name come up, so why is she being trashed in this way? It's really not fair. Just because she supports the victim, and a lot of people don't agree with that, I even have a hard time agreeing with that, doesn't mean that we can bash every aspect of her life. Like she said, she's not the one on trial. I do believe that the "victim" was mature enough to make a decision about this child. If it was born dead or killed, I do not know, but eiher way some kind of authorites should have been called. She was definatley old enough to make the right decision, and chose the wrong one, and hopefully will have to pay for that decision. If people continue to post on here let's atleast keep it on a relevent source instead of picking apart peoples personal lives.
July 6, 2009
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One of the programs I don't watch on TV is the one on CNN where Nancy Grace gets a little bit of information and then starts jumping to all sorts of conclusions about someone who has been accused of a crime, whether or not the evidence in all in. Then, Nancy doesn't stop there, she jumps all over the accused person's family, friends, and everybody else, like she knows everything.
Then there's that stupid congressman in New York, Peter King, who just came out and called Michael Jackson a pervert and child molester, even though Jackson was acquitted.
People who do that kind of thing are sickening.
July 6, 2009
9:25 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Good point Fuzz. Although Im really surprised that Nancy hasnt picked this up yet!! Imagine the ratings! Im srue the Advertiser is just eating this up! Most hits they ever had!
Im not sure about this, but didnt Jackson reach a settlement in one of his other cases? Just curious. There were too many people saying the same thing. SOMETHING happened that wasnt right. He sure was a weird little fella!
July 7, 2009
7:37 a.m.Report inappropriate content
og32 - that was my point as well...everyone keeps saying that the victom was too young to make a decision like that, well no she wasn't. All I was doing was commending Heather for her brave decision, that's all.
I can only hope that the truth will come out about this case, I still feel that all involved should pay for their part in the horrible things that have been done. My heart goes out to "her" father, and the baby.
July 7, 2009
9:32 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Heather don't listen to the simple minded comments on here about your situation you did the right thing and you know you did. Your little one is with a family who love her dearly so don't let these comments get to you. For people who don't know her mom she was upset but helped heather make the right choice. We are suppose to be commenting on the whole cf,14yr old and WHERE IS THE BABY
July 7, 2009
9:35 a.m.Report inappropriate content
and yes I know that she is an adult now not 14.
July 7, 2009
12:09 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Heather_07, although none of this has anything to do with you or your situation - and I doubt anybod really cares about your personal situation anyway - you need to stop drawing attention away from the real issue.
Your friend and Cory Fritz are responsible for the death and disposal of an innocent child. If you are truly the fine, upstanding, intelliegent girl that you portray yourself to be on this board - then get your friend to tell the truth so this baby can be found and given a Christian burial.
You claim to have experience thinking of others before yourself and doing the right thing for a child - do that now. Find out what they did with this baby - if you don't know already - and report it to the authorities.
July 7, 2009
12:32 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Oh, and Heather_07, a 17 year-old having sex with a 15 year-old IS ILLEGAL! It doesn't matter if the older person is male or female. The law clearly states that the age of consent in the State of Michigan is 16 years old.
You have a problem on your hands, m'dear.
July 7, 2009
1:10 p.m.Report inappropriate content
wow..i tried to keep my mouth shut...but you are all just so stupid..find something better to do with ur time..when authorities know more about the situation..im sure you will know..coming on here will not answer ur questions..ur all just pathetic..and if ur adults..i understand u dont think its right whats going on..but grow up and stop bashing these kids..being the vitcim, heather, or any other kids on here..grow up and shut up..if u want to know answer..watch tho new..dont talk SH*t of here..seriously..its getting really old..like most of u say..no body really knows what happend..or what cory or the victim went through so shut the hell up already..give it a rest..
July 7, 2009
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So who's the one taking attention away from the real subject, JOET, I think that would be you because you just keep bringing up my name. And if we want to get technical I was only 16 when we started dating and this boy was 15. But my personal life is not on trial here. So we're done talking about me. And I'd really appreciate it if you would stop telling me what I know. I don't know what happened! Seems like you know more than I do. Just because she's my friend doesn't mean I know anything that happened. You really are dumb, arn't you? And to say this baby, if there is one, deserves a Christian burial, who are you spew your beliefs on to people. Maybe these people are Jewish or Hindu, you don't know! In China they bury their dead in a shallow grave and dig them up again 15 years later. Maybe they're CHINESE! YOU DON'T KNOW! STOP MAKING ACCUSATIONS! I know I've said 3 times I'm done with this board, and I don't even read it anymore, but people still tell me what's on it. And it makes me so mad that my name keeps being brought up! I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS! I am not the one on trial here! If you're going to talk, make it relevent or don't write anything at all! I think you're the one who has a problem JOET, I do believe that somewhere in the Bible, since you're so Christian, it says not to be judgemental, and that's exactly what you're doing. You don't know me, you don't know this girl or Cory or anything that happened, so you can't judge them or me. And you definatly can't say they took the life of a baby, because you don't know that. Maybe the cops should be questioning you, you seem to know so much. And if you really think that you're all big and bad with your holier than thou attitute, why not tell us your name? Stop hiding behind your screen name and grow up!
July 7, 2009
1:23 p.m.Report inappropriate content
None of you obviously read the posting policy:
"Here's the plain English: no libel, slander, no lying, no fabricating, no swearing at all, no words that teenagers use a lot that some people think aren't swearing but we do, no disguised swear words, no insulting groups or individuals, no ethnic slurs and/or epithets, no religious bigotry, no threats of any kind, no divulging of names or personal information that wasn’t released in the story, no bathroom humor, no comparing anyone to Hitler, Stalin or any other tyrants, no re-posting information from other news sources or linking outsides sites as we do not have and cannot obtain permission to have their content on our sites. We expect heated, robust debate, but comments should be polite and civil, as well as on topic. We consider this to be public space so behave and write accordingly."
NO SWEARING, LIBEL, LYING OR SLANDER. That's what a lot of you are doing. Talking about the victim and about all the other people on here in support of the victim. I do NOT support the victim but will not make up lies. I know in my first posts I was not nice, but I was so irate, but when I sat down and logically thought about it, I learned how to be an adult again and not the judge these people. They are innocent until proven guilty. You people do need to grow up like yuwanknow said. Being on here won't answer your questions or make the truth come out. It's just hurting the people involved even more and now you;re dragging more people into this who weren't involved just to have something to argue about. It's getting really old. And I know I'm just as bad becuase I keep reading it but it does give me a good laugh for the day just to see what dumb things people can come up with.
July 7, 2009
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yuwanaknow - All we are doing on here is trying to have a conversation about what is going on. I never said that I was judging anyone, all I have ever said is that what's wrong is wrong, and they are all in the wrong here. You can defend your friend, that is fine, but don't come on here and call all of us stupid....hello pot have you met kettle???? Again, it sounds to me like you are VERY close to "her" and I just wonder how close? All people involved in this case are sick and wrong for allowing that to happen to a baby...plain and simple. You can defend her, that's fine, but I never called you stupid for doing that did I? We are allowed to come on here and post all we want, that is what it's for you know, therefore I don't think it is appropriate for you to start the name game with us just because we/I feel that they should all rott for what they have done.
July 7, 2009
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It's ok to come on here and talk about how you feel about Cory and this girl, and state your opinions about what happened, why it happened, whatever. Everyone desevers and is entitled to their own opinions. But I think the thing that is making some people so mad is that this is turning into something that is no longer about the situation. It's turning into just yelling at everyone. People can support the victim and not have anything to do with what happened. People can hate the victim and hope she and Cory both rot in jail, thats your own opinion. But why do we have to hate on each other? And bring up stuff about people that has nothing to do with this situation? That's what is getting so stupid. If we continue to post on here it should atleast be about this article and not about just trying to hurt whoever we can.
July 7, 2009
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og32 - I totally agree...and I don't think I have been out of line on here talking about Cory, "her" and baby. I am sorry that the friends and family of Cory and "her" are going through this, it must be hard. But everyone needs to realize that a baby is dead...rather it was born dead or was simply buried...or what happened to it. I don't understand why "she" didn't just give the baby up for adoption, she wouldn't have had to give the name of the father, she could have just had the baby and walked away...that is what breaks my heart.
July 7, 2009
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That's what break a lot of peoples hears nunya, and I don't understand that either. I just hope that we can hear her side of the story, and that if she is guilty of this she will have to pay for it.
And I don't think that you're doing anything wrong on these posts, and are one of the people who are sticking to the subject matter.
July 7, 2009
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As to subject matter, maybe people that have deep-seeded personal issues - both past and present - should find another forum to fame-seek on. Many of us have tried to stay on topic, and other posters come on here with their cry-me-a-river whiner attitudes, talking about things we don't even care about.
I, personally, don't care if someone gave a child up for adoption, or if someone posting tidbits of their private life feels offended that we don't agree with their reasoning.
What I do care about is this baby being found and buried properly - Christian or otherwise - and that the people responsible for the death and disposal of this child are punished for their actions.
What I find ridiculous is that so many people have dug their hooks into this tragedy and are trying their best to get their own "15 minutes of fame". Using this platform to preach about "sex-abuse" and the "I'm a good mom no matter what you say" crap and whatever else the topic of the day is, that's completely inappropriate.
So, stop preaching to the those of us that have stuck to our guns and resisted the smoke-and-mirrors that you people throw up. We know where we stand, we don't waffle, and we want justice for this child. If that forces you to question your stance, or to angrily and ineffectively defend it, then so be it. That is your issue, not mine or anyone else's.
July 7, 2009
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If I had one wish i would wish we all would stopping fighting and going on about it give it a rest I think everyone would feel better insided themselves to take a break and let those who need to take care of this do so meaning the authorties. I pray the truth will come out in the end but till then lets all calm down, its okay to talk and even disagree but the disagreeing has turned into personal fights. If what they are saying is true about this baby then God help those involed because they are going to need alot of professional help for a long time and so are the people they are close too. If either one of these people meaning CF or the victim were my kids I would be so damn mad at them but those of us that have kids know there is a thing called unconditional love they are going to need their family by them not matter what happend and yes we dont have to like them or one or the other but we dont know whay lies ahead of us in our futher and we all need to stop and think about that.We all make bad choices in life and some pay for those choices so lets just wait and see what happens and then go from there. We can all say how mad we are and how they should rot in jail, but I really feel now that this out in the public all involed are feeling the pain, the wrong, the quilt, the sin they have commited for what ever has been done if any I am not here to point my finger. So no matter what we say isnt going to help anything that is really going on here.
July 7, 2009
4:40 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I agree with sosad to a point, I don't know about anyone else but one of the things that has me so mad and upset was to see "her" out partying and having a good time. I don't know how she has lived with this for 3 or 4 years, whatever it has been. I honestly think that I would have went crazy keeping this to myself and knowing that my baby was simply tossed into the dirt, when we loose a pet, we at least bury it in a box with a blanket and some toys...it just simply makes me very sad that another human could do that to an infant.
July 7, 2009
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when all this comes out and truth be known and if this is true, then myself also will not like how she has handled this the past few years also, but until i hear all facts I am not saying anything. and if she did do this and party and go on like nothing has ever happened then shame on her and i do hope she does get the punishment she deserves along with CF and his crimes that he has committed. I do believe in doing time for the crimes that are being talked about but until I hear all the facts. I'm just wishing all would stop the fighting amoung each other in here. When this all came out I was super mad at all involed, then the next time i found myself crying for this baby. I'm just tryig to calm things down cause we have men and women dying over seas and here we all are fighting over something that really doesnt involve us. Yes it is a small community and we all want to know what the hang is going on but lets just stop fighting, and pray for that baby to be found, if it is true that the baby is buried somewhere or wherever.
July 7, 2009
6:25 p.m.Report inappropriate content
You are right sosad people need to pray that the baby is found and can be laid to rest for the rest of the family who are sitting wondering where there grandbaby, niece or nephew, cousin is. I also feel that the trueth will be told sooner or later we should be patient and let the authorities handle it. I am not saying that I am not upset with the whole thing because I am but we have to consider the rest of the family that had no ideal of this baby
July 7, 2009
6:28 p.m.Report inappropriate content
we should not cut the friends and family members down who are sticking up for them, I thought to myself how I would feel and yes it would be very upsetting but I would not turn my back on a close friend or family member. I would try to get them to do what is right and we all know what the right thing would be help find the little one.
July 7, 2009
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I just think it's going to be hard to find remains of a baby that has been buried for 3 years, and may have been moved. I wish someone would come forward and say what really happened. I don't believe that Cory had nothing to do with it. I know that I would not be able to just walk away if I saw a child being born, and I don't think he could of either. I think he, or someone, knows where that baby is now. Why do police want to know where it was them 2 days? I think if he just told the truth then maybe he'd get an easier sentance.
July 8, 2009
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I think the reason they want to know where he was is because they may think that he went and moved the baby in those two days between when this started and he when he was arrested. I don't know that for sure, so don't quote me. I have prayed for this baby and I will continue to do so until he/she is found. Simply heartbreaking!!
July 8, 2009
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Knowing both families real well I do believe that if they would of known what if we got caught, what would happen this would not be going on right now. I do believe that at the time the victim and who ever involved thought it was right because they did not want to see cory get into any trouble, I could be wrong but this is my thought. By any means I am not saying what they did is right because it was not but just trying to think of what was going on that night this all took place.
July 8, 2009
7:27 p.m.Report inappropriate content
What if we get caught? Really? They better hope the authorities dont ever prove they were thinking that. If they do, the charges, whatever they are, will be turned to pre-meditated. As in they were planning this. If the baby was alive at the time of birth, THEY would be looking at pre-meditated murder. And the way it sounds on this blog, a whole bunch of accomplices.
July 9, 2009
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do you really want our community to be known for the biggest gossipers on top of all this!! It's getting old people lets find a different hobby then to sit on the internet all day and bash people all fricken day. Enough with this bull$h!t and MOVE THE F^@K ON!
July 9, 2009
8:22 a.m.Report inappropriate content
SVSUstudent is right. You really do need to find a nice coffee shop -- maybe in Cass City, Caro, or Bad Axe -- to sit down with each other and talk. I don't think most of you would be so mean if you actually had a face to look at as you communicate. And, remember! the amazing episode is about to begin in just a few days, anyway. New swaths of allegations and gossip fodder are about to be released in court! Hang on to your hats! Be patient! You'll soon have even more to blog about endlessly!
July 9, 2009
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Fuzzy and svsu...Hate to break the bad news, but that is what this "comment" area is for. If you don't like it, stop reading it! Don't tell the rest of us to get a life or go to the coffee shop! If I want to discuss this case on here I am going to, maybe you should get a hobby and stop reading them if you don't like it. The people in question deserve to be talked about, THEY BURIED A BABY!!! Get over it! Or stop reading it!
July 9, 2009
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olddawg you are right but how do we know what they where thinking at that time I know I dont know what they where thinking. Nunya I also agree with you if they don't like to read what we have to say then stay off this site. The ones that want us to go to a coffee shop probably should go there themselves. Stop hiding behind the truth because it will get you in the end like it is already.
July 9, 2009
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Actually, I can read here and comment and call anybody here an idiot if I want to. But, calling people an idiot wouldn't be nice. So I won't do that. Making comments based on unproven allegations isn't nice. And there is a big difference between commenting on something and gossiping about people! You folks who don't like people commenting on your comments about someone's gossip should get a life, yourself! So there! Ha! You gossipers really should think about a different hobby, too!
July 9, 2009
5:53 p.m.Report inappropriate content
forthelove....I was just commenting on what you posted. I know you were just making a comment, but imagine. to alledgedly do something so horrible and the only thought going through is...its Ok as long as we dont get caught. You said none of this would have happened if they knew they where going to get caught...That should not have been the reason for this to not have happened. Just commenting...
Fuzzy...Any idea when? As far as court...
July 9, 2009
10:13 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I thought Corys hearing was supposed to be on the 6th? Did it get changed?
July 9, 2009
10:18 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy:
thank you for understanding where i am coming from.
To the rest:
I actually have not read these comments but i've skimmed thru some and I know what they are about. I have talked to the "girl" and she would like all this bulls#!t to stop because nobody understands what she is going thru right now. She is sorry, it's not like she did it on purpose... some of you may differ but put yourself in her shoes!! You be 15 and pregnant, and not a well so life and tell me how you handled everything! She was scared i don't blame her I would be terrified as well. I just don't have anything else to say because i know some one will get on here and contradict what i have to say and im not going to fight with you OLDDAWG and if you are OLD as your name says,, Grow up you should be old enough to stop acting like your in highschool.
PEACE.
July 10, 2009
2:01 a.m.Report inappropriate content
and og32,, yeah it did to the 20th
July 10, 2009
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see svsu answered everyone question YES SHE WAS PREGNANT AND SOMETHING DID HAPPEN TO THE BABY!!!!!!!!! So everyone stop and wait for the law to handle all of this. If she told svsu that she was pregnant then the authorities know.
July 10, 2009
10:38 a.m.Report inappropriate content
And for you Fuzzy you better read what svsu has commented after your remark on unproven allegations see some people do somewhat know what they are saying.
July 10, 2009
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svsu---if what you are saying is true then I think at 14-15 she should of be scraed to have sex first of all at that age, esp. with a 22 year old man, which he is at fault for that. Im not going by what you are saying until I hear the facts from the media or law but we all get scared at times in our life's. I for one got pregant in my early 20's and even at that age was scared so i do know how she feels to that point, but we have to deal with what the lord gives us, in one way or another(now I have a very beautiful grown child which I'm very proud of) MY heart goes out to her for going through something like this if she did but if she did give birth to a (her)baby no matter if the baby was alive or still born, still what happened is not called for the way they handled this situation in the end no matter how scared she or they were. honestly I feel she needs to pay for her decision she made scared or not scared, we need to think before we do things. By no way am I saying she did this I am just saying how I feel if it becomes true that she did. I just pray all is done and over with soon.
July 11, 2009
8:37 a.m.Report inappropriate content
What is the matter with you people? There is only one victim here, just one. The victim is that baby, the only one that absolutely no choices. Its amazing how the some of you have gone from commenting on this story to being mean to each other. The only people that know what really happened are the two people that were involved, the rest of us will probably never know the whole truth. Im sure that they will both pay for the things they have done. I cant even begin to imagine the guilt that both of them are going to have to live with. Who are any of you to judge? I think we should all be grateful that we arent in their place. This is just my opinion, Im not trying to offend anyone. The only side Im on, is the side of that innocent baby.
July 11, 2009
9:57 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Midnite112: I so agree with you. As I posted earlier, the only thing worth noting from so many of these posts, are how many sick and illiterate people there are in the area.
July 11, 2009
9:18 p.m.Report inappropriate content
On my previous post 'are' is supposed to be 'is'.
July 13, 2009
3:22 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Corrine...illiterate...seriously? Anyway, I am sorry that people don't like us posting here in the comments section, but oh well, that's what it is for. And I do agree with the fact that the only victom in this situation is the baby. I have no sympathy for Cory or "her" or her mother. I do however have to give "her" father credit, he has handled this all so well, and he is trying to move on with his life. Good for him, but I'm sorry "Dad" your daughter and her mother did some unthinkable things and they need to pay for their sins.
July 13, 2009
6:32 p.m.Report inappropriate content
svsu...maybe you should read a little more. I posted on what was previously said. They werent my thoughts. Soooo until you know what youre talking about, grow up and shut up! SVSU doesnt seem to be working out very well, huh?
July 14, 2009
10:33 a.m.Report inappropriate content
very well said nunya I have to give you credit you almost all the time know the right thing to say and it is very well said right to the point, that is the way it should be. The ones that like to get on here and cut all of us down I think have something to hide, but that is just my thought.
July 14, 2009
11:17 a.m.Report inappropriate content
So, svsustudent is another of the many people that knows what happened and is continuing to cover it up. Can't say that caught me by surprise.
So, the "victime/perpetrator" is "sorry for what she did" but she was "scared". Sorry she murdered her baby and sorry that she helped dispose of it. Imagine that - she's sorry - now that she is under investigation.
Meanwhile, there is good ole' Fuzzy and his "sex abuse" rhetoric and all of the "friends" of this murderer in Gagetown defending her on this site. Someone is working very hard on an alibi and defense. We can only trust that this prosecutor knows what he is doing and that ALL of these baby killers and accomplices go down.
July 15, 2009
3:15 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Joe, just because someone knows this girl and defends her does not make them an accomplice.
July 15, 2009
10:39 a.m.Report inappropriate content
yadayyaday joe is right if you know of a crime and don't report it, it does make you accountable for these actions also. that would be like if you seen a robbery and did not report it or some other crime you are as responsible as the ones that did the crime. Why do you think people who see a accident and don't wait for the cops to get there can get into trouble also even if they had nothing to do with it. I am not getting down on you just trying to get you to see Joe's point of view.
July 15, 2009
12:20 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Ive read a lot of comments on here about how the *victim* is out partying and having a good time today....she knew what she was doing when she was having sex with CF.....she knew she was pregnant and hid it.....and blah blah blah.....to those of us that are 30 and over....think back to when you were 14...15....16....wasnt is easy to convince youself unfortunate things didnt really happen? Block them out? I truly believe we would be seeing much different behavior from her if she were now married with children...a grown up......I truly believe she would feel remorse....sadness.....loss.....but at 18 you are young, you are invincible....yet you are still immature, no matter how grown up you think you are. And I say this as a person who was married at 18 and knew it all (and still together 20 years later)
The victim, imo, is a very confused little girl. She just recently regained her relationship with her father.....a relationship that was broken when he caught her with CF....she, as a child, thought she was in love and had the world at her feet....her dad saw the relationship for what it was.....she saw him interfering and ruining her life.....he was being a typical father and trying to protect his daughter.....add into the mix a mother desperate to hold on to her youth and pretend she was one of the girls........
Bottom line....the investigators know more than we do. No matter how close any of us are to CF or the victim. The truth WILL come out, it WILL set them free.....sadly, both of them probably wont be FREE in the eyes of the judicial system....but they have an eternity to live with the choice(s) they made in the past.
Lets stop judging based on opinions and he said she saids. Lets let the courts do what they are supposed to do....let justice decide.....and go from there. We have a young adult NOW who was taken advantage of THEN. We need to pray for her, for the child, and yes, even for CF. Wrong or right, WE dont have to live with the choices THEY made.
July 15, 2009
12:23 p.m.Report inappropriate content
loveforthebaby That is what I and JoeT have been saying on these boards from the begining!
Reene is looking for more info on Cory's where abouts June 19th and the 20th ( not saying that anyone who knows is an accompless)but they need to determine if the baby was moved as to why the search by the police turned up empty!
You know this board is like a train wreck- everbody has to look and so far JoeT has the most insight for someone looking in. He's fact on law etc. are right on and I sure do value his opion.
Heather just shut off your computer!!! Your too emotionally connected to this case to be spuying you guts out if your not going to step up to the plate and tell what you know to the athuorites., and come on if you say you dont know anything else(about the baby)your either blind or your shutting it out. Best friends tell everything to each other and if you know anything Please step up.It's your duty as a law abidding citizen and a friend.
Now that everybody is warm and fuzzy to each other and back on track,lets see what happens on Monday. Maybe we can get some more "HARD" facts to chew about!I'm so glad the that we can post our veiws on here and "disscuss" the facts the we read from the paper.
July 15, 2009
6:10 p.m.Report inappropriate content
JoeT and Wishididmore can get lots of hard facts by just going to the corner gas station and listening to the gossip that's passed there every day. I'm sure that would more than satisfy you both! Who needs the newspaper?
July 16, 2009
10:41 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy, I know far more about legalities and admissible facts than you do, obviously. I don't hang around the corner gas station and I don't practice amateur psychology - like you do. I read and process information, and I pay close attention. I have have paid attention to the specifics of the information that was admitted in this case.
It would appear that I also have a more accurate moral compass than you and your cohorts that persist in defending this "victim/perpetrator". Wrong is wrong, no matter how you attempt to dress up the scenario. It's too bad that you are such a morally ambiguous person. It will truly bite you in the end.
July 17, 2009
3:26 a.m.Report inappropriate content
loveforthebaby, I understand what you are saying that if you know of a crime and do not report it, then you are at fault as well. But who is saying that anyone else knew about it? Just because someone does something does not mean they tell their friends about it. I've done things that I haven't told to anyone. I especially wouldn't tell anyone if it was going to get me in a lot of trouble...
July 25, 2009
7:16 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Joe Tekats,, or however you spell your last name.
SHUT UP! You don't have to worry about defending any type of friends ever because you don't have any!! Your a lier and you sneak behind peoples backs,, just stop already! You obviously need to read the post i said again because I wasn't defending anyone in it I was just saying that this stupid b.s needed to stop!
Thank you!
July 25, 2009
7:52 p.m.Report inappropriate content
wishididmore:
How do you know that Heather possibly didn't tell the authorities what she knew or knows?? Have you talked to the authorities?? Have they told you if Heather talked to them and what she said? Even if you did talk to them yourself, they can't tell you if they questioned Heather and what she said. I've been in a situation before where I was questioned by cops and I wasn't given any information on the situation and I was a main part of it.
So just for you to sit there and say that Heather needs to fess up blah blah blah.. you don't know if she did or not. And plus, every girl is entitled to a secret, not everyone tells their best friends every single secret they have.
Now enough about Heather seriously!! She is just an innocent, sweet girl trying to live her life just like all of us!
July 29, 2009
1:05 p.m.Report inappropriate content
svsustudent, I don't even know who Joe Tekats is, so nice try at trying to ID someone in an anonymous forum. You are an idiot. As to friends, I am a lot older and smarter than you with many years of experience under my belt, so I wouldn't worry about the friends and acquaintances I have. Rest assured, nobody I know would ever be caught dead associating with the likes of you.
As to my handle, Joe isn't even my name, so sorry if some incompetant amateur detective work by a soon-to-be college dropout is causing problems for anyone out there. Desperate people will try anything to deflect the heat off of their activities...
July 31, 2009
7:42 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Good grief! This Joe guy sure is a bully, isn't he?
July 31, 2009
10:05 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Fuzzy, you and your cohorts are such poor excuses for human beings. You and your accomplices on here still covering up the murder of an innocent baby and then coming out of left field with accusations against those of us that call you out? You people are disgusting.
July 31, 2009
11:59 p.m.Report inappropriate content
joet
I'm a surgeon in training thank you,, and last time I checked you can't be a college drop out to be that successul!
August 1, 2009
7:30 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Bully!
August 4, 2009
3:20 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Joe, how do you call all the people on here accomplices? As far as anyone knows, you know just as much as anyone else. No matter what people tell you, you're going to believe what you want to believe. That my friend, is ignorance.
And stop bashing people. Makes you sound like an ass.
August 4, 2009
3:32 p.m.Report inappropriate content
If I remember right from my law classes, anyone that knew what was happening and allowed it to happen is an accomplice, rather they will be charged or not is a different story. They CAN be charge, but proving that they knew about it can be difficult. I think we all need to stay on the subject here, which is a baby is dead. Cory, her mother and "her" should all be punished for what they did and allowing it to happen. Nobody can prove who knew what and when they found out, so I doubt if anyone will be charged as accomplices.
August 5, 2009
10:32 a.m.Report inappropriate content
By Amy Joles (Contact / Staff Bio)
August 1, 2009 - 12:50 p.m. EST
CARO — Gordon Z. Crittenden was given a second chance when he received a delayed sentence and probation in a criminal sexual conduct case last year.
However, marijuana took that chance away.
“All the defendant had to do was keep out of trouble for a period of one year,” said Chief Assistant Prosecutor Eric Wanink in a sentencing memorandum. “Apparently, that was too much to ask.”
Crittenden, 24, of Kingston was sentenced in January 2008 to a delayed sentenced and probation on two counts of first degree criminal sexual conduct. If he completed his term of probation, the counts that he pleaded to would have been reduced to misdemeanors.
Because Crittenden violated his probation, he was sentenced to serve 4-15 years in prison.
The plea deal was struck last year after Crittenden produced proof that he intended to enlist in the military. He was to report to Fort Hood for a 400-day enlistment.
On May 28, just a few months after sentencing, Crittenden was pulled over in Sanilac County on a traffic violation. The officer reported that Crittenden was acting suspiciously, so he searched the vehicle, locating marijuana in a bag in the back seat.
Crittenden’s mother claimed the marijuana was hers, but Crittenden insisted it was not.
Crittenden reported the Sanilac County incident to his probation agent in Tuscola County and said he was fighting the charges. The probation agent later learned that Crittenden pleaded guilty to the drug charge, resulting in a violation of his probation.
“Regardless, his attempts to rehabilitate have failed,” said Wanink in the memo. “He has shown nothing but contempt by his actions towards this court’s gesture in ordering a delay of sentence in light of his heinous crime.”
Crittenden’s criminal sexual conduct charges involved sexual contact with a girl who was between the age of 14-15 during 2005-2006.
“In light of the fate that he should have realized would befall him if caught, some would say violating this court’s order would be an act of lunacy,” stated Wanink’s memo.
Should Cory Fritz be found guilty of these alleged crimes and he is not a marijuana fiend there is hope for him yet, maybe probation. Tuscola County is strict on marijuana laws!!! Which would you rather have a child rapist or a marijuana fiend as a neighbor? Silly question marijuana is pure absolute evil! Sex with children in Tuscola County is just kinda, sorta bad.
August 5, 2009
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August 5, 2009
4:12 p.m.Report inappropriate content
UMMM...the post by inthethumb27 needs to be removed...using names other than those reported in the story. It's been on there for 3 hours now
August 6, 2009
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August 6, 2009
3:12 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Oh, I'm sorry, has it be proven that she has been charged with something or did anything wrong? That's funny because I never read anything about it. And as for your last comment about her mother shows who the real idiot is. Like your name says it's NUNYA BUSINESS.
August 6, 2009
4:07 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Has she been charged....not yet, but if there is a god, she soon will be charged. She played a part in this whole thing. She is the one that gave birth, remember. And it is my business just as much as it is yours. They will pay, don't worry. Her mother is an idiot, and I trying to be nice about it so I will stop there. She deserves to rot in prison along side her daughter and Cory. They are all killers of an innocent baby. Maybe your mother should have done that to you, how would that be?
August 6, 2009
7:21 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Very intelligent remark.
August 6, 2009
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August 9, 2009
10:02 p.m.Report inappropriate content
WOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!! I don't know why I even read so many of these comments. I don't think any of these posts even pertain to the story anymore. More like everyone on here bashing everyone else. I understand people want to defend Cory and whoever this girl is but come on, enough is enough, none of us will ever know the real story so let's hope what needs to be done will be done and MOVE ON!!!!
August 10, 2009
8:43 a.m.Report inappropriate content
boris and og32....I am simply trying to make a point, what they did was wrong no matter how you look at it. There was an innocent baby and they took it upon themselves to play god and decide the fate of that baby. They had no right doing that to an innocent child that did not ask to be born. I hope that they all get the punishment that they deserve. That's all I was trying to say, call me immature if you wish, I'm just stating my opinion.
August 17, 2009
10:38 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Any news on the hearing today??
August 18, 2009
3:39 p.m.Report inappropriate content
They have an article on News 5 website, not much information though.
August 19, 2009
9:39 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I saw Cory walkin around Wednesday night at Cheeseburger, just as though nothing was wrong!
September 1, 2009
2:36 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I just want to say that everybody can't just gang up on Cory. It takes two to tango remember? It even says in the newspaper that the girl told him of her plans to bury the baby. This girl needs psyciatric testing and some much needed time spent in prison. Instead she is out playing softball and drinking and partying, keep it up 'nazi' enjoy your freedom now before you get punished for what you did.
September 5, 2009
3:17 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Does anyone know what happened at his hearing the 31st?
September 9, 2009
4:32 p.m.Report inappropriate content
did everyone move on except the baby?
September 30, 2009
9:55 a.m.Report inappropriate content
What is going on with this case? When is "she" going to be punished for her part? And her mother? Come on....give them what they deserve already!!!!
October 10, 2009
11:44 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Is this just 'old news' now and no one cares anymore? What's going to happen to the people involved? Why hasn't there been anymore news?
October 15, 2009
11:27 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Really wish there was a follow up story about this case! Sure would like to know the outcome of all this. I really hope that the mother of the baby, her mother and anyone else involved get what they deserve!
October 22, 2009
8:16 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I don't know about you guys, but I saw Cory at Walmart the other day and I just wanted to walk up and beat the living crap out of him. Walking around without a care in the world....dumb@ss. He should be in jail, along with her and her mother. Let's all just keep praying that something is done to these people.